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It wasn’t leading the story anywhere, it was a plot contrivance that hamfistedly side loaded a “war profiteering bad” message that’s been in Star Wars since at least the Clone Wars and done far better there.
Not only that, but the concept is being explained to the child soldier turned rebel as if he doesn’t know that it’s bad. He should be the one explaining it to Rose, but we can’t have that because she’s a girl boss with no obstacles to overcome or ignorances to set straight. All of her problems are external and no further self improvement was possible.
I’m sorry but Grey Jedi are aberrations of Legends. A jedi who is balanced in the force is just a Jedi. You cannot balance with the dark side, it is corruption. I don’t see them making it to the big screen, and if they do I don’t see it making sense or being good.
There’s also people who don’t agree with the jedi institution, but they aren’t jedi, just force users. That’s what I think the “gray jedi” theme should be. Those who recognize the flaws of the jedi institution but are light side still. The jedi are just so tied into the light side themes in Star Wars that they won’t critique it in the mainline stories.
Its just one of those things thats not gonna translate well with a 2 hour movie. Like in the videogames, being grey works because the sark/light side indicator is a slider and YOU control your actions. In the supposed lore of the movies, the dark side is like an addiction and even using it once can send a jedi spiraling. So it just doesn’t translate well. Its cool in the games to shoot lightning and then turn around and heal someone. In the movies, it just doesn’t mash well with what is established.
I mean things like Ray burning the books from the jedi order should be where things shoot for the not jedi but not evil characters (except actually following through with it). Characters who are still good, they just don’t follow the jedi order, which is not the ruling body of the light side, just the body that has the most control within light side force user groups.
I guess what I’m trying to say is its more akin to being a monk. What we see in the prequels is already a corruption of the Order because they decided to be Star Command. To be balanced truly in the force is not to become a Jedi. Though, that may be what the Jedi aspire to do.
We have plenty of force users that are not/are no longer evil in the Clone Wars and Rebels series. That has been done in canon and handled quite well. With that in mind I can say what we saw in the sequels was pretty crass story-telling. I kind of wish they would have taken way more time to plan them out.
TLJ at least tried something new. Granted, it didn’t work. But it was better than just rebooting and rehashing the same old thing over and over again.
At this point I statistically just don’t like SW anymore. Like, there are only three I am comfortable calling “good” movies (New Hope, Empire and Rogue One) and the others are somewhere between “just okay” to “so bad that it’s annoying to watch”.
And at this rate, Disney is gonna put out a new THING every year, so like… Who even cares anymore?
Wait… what’s wrong with Return of th- Oh… it’s the Ewoks, isn’t it?
Going back and watching force awakens a while after ep9, I came to realize I actually only like og trilogy, and Phantom for nostalgia / bad movie and podracer reasons. The games however are great, especially Kotor, and realized that’s why I like the franchise so much
Oh absolutely! I very nearly put KoToR in my little parentheses of good products. The best SW gets is when it gets away from the goddamn Skywalkers 😂
Yes! Less Jedi is already great but no Skywalker is fantastic
%1000 this. But even for all the bad things about Canto Bight, it had something to say about the Star Wars universe and how we should feel about the way Disney intends to use the property and that was crazy clever.
Having a side quest where nothing was accomplished and they did a trivial amount of damage that would immediately be undone was crazy clever?
Was that aspect of this part of the story good? No, it had flaws.
Was it worse than having a super-ultra-duper-mega Death Star reset all of the progress from the entire franchise by blowing up every single republic planet with one multiple shot from across the galaxy? Also, no. Not by half.
I left Force Awakens feeling defeated by Star Wars. We’re not allowed to have character growth, we’re not allowed to ever have the universe move past the empire, everything has to stay in this permanent state of always at war because that’s the brand and everything in the universe that tries to be different gets pushed back into its little box.
And the scenes in Canto Bight and with the cracker said that out loud. That it’s all war and it will always be that way as long as the people selling the war are making money. It was different and it felt different.
And then Disney came back with Rise of the Skywalker and pushed it all back in the box and did everything it could to walk it back validating everything it had to say.
So, yeah… despite its narrative flaws with pacing it was pretty brilliant and spot on. And it’s weird that it bothers you more than any of the bizarre pacing and character crap in the other two movies. It’s all bad storytelling, why is the bad story telling that has something to say the part that bothers you the most?
It’s all bad storytelling, why is the bad story telling that has something to say the part that bothers you the most?
Because it is jarring to pontificate about the military industrial complex in a space opera. It would be like inserting a subplot about the high cost of private schools in Harry Potter, or the monetization of sports in Field of Dreams.
It had nothing to say in the context of the movie setting, just a hamfisted and boring insertion that did not fit the setting. The same point could have been made on a way that did not directly contradict the tone of the genre in such a terrible and pointless way that was obviously jammed in with no thought to pacing ot tone. It was a waste of time, and that is the worst thing you can do in a space opera.
“Canto Blight is new and interesting”
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by this logic, johnson also couldn’t understand a fellow creative’s vision
3 threw the plot of 2 in the bin, but only because 2 had already thrown the plot of 1 in the bin
Ima just going to leave this here… it’s what we should have gotten!
Went to new and interesting places
But where?
Canto Bight
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