• bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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    8 months ago

    being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people, whether the victims of October 7 in Israel or the ongoing attack in Gaza.

    Good to see some sanity, someone pointing out that the loss of life on October 7th was ultimately caused by the occupation. Had there been no occupation there would not have been an Oct 7.

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      Terrorism is like advertising. It works.

      Many people are now learning the history of the conflict who never would have paid attention otherwise.

      Instead of getting mad that oppressed people are fighting back, maybe we shouldn’t oppress them in the first place.

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        I’ve been fascinated by propaganda all my life, and being able to take exactly what people are actually doing and twist it using an ingrained cultural perspective is so incredibly easy and effective.

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      “If Israel didn’t exist there would be no people fighting against the existence of Israel” … What the Fuck?

      What kind of role reversal is that blaming October 7. on the “occupation” seriously? I’m not saying Israels government didn’t have a hand in creating adversity and Terrorism by suppressing the Palestinian people but to claim the horrific massacres were there fault is just plain evil.

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        75 years of active apartheid, violence, and genocidal warfare will eventually lead to the oppressed to act in any manner possible

        Funny to me how Americans get hard over imaginary struggle stories but condemn the Palestinian resistance

        Oh booo fucking hoooo, they took hostages, well removed. Those hostages are European colonization settlers on THEIR land. If it was Chinese occupying America you would do much much worse than anything Palestinian resistance groups (incl Hamas) ever did on Oct 7.

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          Reminds me of South Africa during the apartheid period. Resistance groups always arise when people are oppressed, and they may go to extremes.

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          1. Not an American but sure fight the strawmen.

          2. To say all the hostages are European Settlers is just such a false view of the facts. A lot of these people weren’t settlers. And to assume they are “European” (by which I assume you mean White) is also wrong. There are Jews (and Arabs) that live (and have lived) in this region for centuries, also there is a huge population of Jews that are black or general POC.

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        The horrific massacres were the fault od the Israeli government, and their actions. If you actually read into the history, into kneecapping, into how “settlers” work, into how Palestinians are being treated, how insane the border restrictions are (no cement, because it could be used for military purposes! No velcro because it could be used for military purposes!), the sea blockade, the fact that Gaza’s food was largely based on fishing (and they banned all fishing equipment getting in - ya know, military purposes), while fishermen are forbidden to fish freely due to the blockade, you kind of start to see a pattern of “we’ll do what we want to Palestine and they can roll over and die”.

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        What kind of role reversal is that blaming October 7. on the “occupation” seriously?

        Yeah, how can we blame the people who oppressed a minority for close to a century for fighting back??? That’s just insanity!!1!