There could be many reasons. I don’t know where they are deploying them, how much training the crews have had and many others that factor into survivability. I’m not saying the Abrams is the best tank ever, just saying that there are many factors that can contribute to why they aren’t doing well in the field for the Ukraine.
Sure, I agree with that. There are tangible factors that make T-72 a better tank though. It’s a simpler design, making it easier to produce and maintain. It’s more manoeuvrable, it’s lighter so it doesn’t get stuck in mud. Doesn’t use a turbine engine, which has been a cause for endless problems. So, while many factors combine to decide overall effectiveness, the quality of the weapon itself is important as well.
Each tank has their advantages, but if you’re going to have an army use a tank with little to no training or spare parts, the T-72 is definitely a no brainer.
Or you know a tank that will be used in actual battle conditions where you’re not going to have guaranteed support. The whole NATO strategy has been to invade small defenceless countries and brutalize people there. You don’t need to worry about stuff like logistics in these situations. A real war is a different animal.
Once again, it depends on where the tanks are deployed and what training the crews have. We do not know if these weapons were deployed and used in the same way. Unless you know this, you can’t really say.
Western media has been telling us that Ukrainians have been trained up to NATO standards. So, going by that we have to assume that that’s the quality of NATO training and weaponry on display.
T-14 is a new design that’s currently being tested, meanwhile any kind of tank can be taken out. The fact that you think that’s remarkable shows that you’re utterly clueless on the subject you’re opining on. The question is how different tanks compare, and Abrams so far is the one tank that looks to be pure garbage.
Evidently you’re having trouble with the concept of something being in development. Try applying the same logic to F-35, how long has that turd been in development now with only 30% of them being functional?
They’ve been “testing” it for more than a decade at this point and even if Russia is able to actually bring the T-14 into service, they won’t be able to produce any significant number of them for the same reason their tank corps isn’t using many T-90M right now.
pure garbage
Go look up Operation Desert Storm and rethink what you wrote there.
If there’s anything here that’s garbage, it’s your notions about tank design.
They’ve been “testing” it for more than a decade at this point and even if Russia is able to actually bring the T-14 into service, they won’t be able to produce any significant number of them for the same reason their tank corps isn’t using many T-90M right now.
Go look up Operation Desert Storm and rethink what you wrote there.
LMFAO yeah, Abrams is great at blowing up tanks from the 70s with barely trained crews. Not so good at modern warfare against a peer competitor.
If there’s anything here that’s garbage, it’s your notions about tank design.
Any tank where electronics start to break down when it rains is very obviously a giant piece of shit.
One, parked under a tree, was almost immobile during CNN’s visit, due to an engine problem, the crew say, despite the vehicle having just been shipped in from Poland. They also complain of how, in rain or fog, condensation can fry the electronics inside the vehicle.
Given that Ukrainians have been trained up to NATO standards for the past eight years, you’re presumably admitting something about the quality of NATO training. Interesting…
and yet old Soviet tanks are doing fine in Ukraine https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/russias-t-72-main-battle-tank-why-it-might-still-be-best-earth-211037
There could be many reasons. I don’t know where they are deploying them, how much training the crews have had and many others that factor into survivability. I’m not saying the Abrams is the best tank ever, just saying that there are many factors that can contribute to why they aren’t doing well in the field for the Ukraine.
Sure, I agree with that. There are tangible factors that make T-72 a better tank though. It’s a simpler design, making it easier to produce and maintain. It’s more manoeuvrable, it’s lighter so it doesn’t get stuck in mud. Doesn’t use a turbine engine, which has been a cause for endless problems. So, while many factors combine to decide overall effectiveness, the quality of the weapon itself is important as well.
Ah yes, there’s nothing quite like a 4 km/h reverse speed. That’s a really tangible factor making the T-72 a better tank.
ah the copes 😂
Each tank has their advantages, but if you’re going to have an army use a tank with little to no training or spare parts, the T-72 is definitely a no brainer.
Or you know a tank that will be used in actual battle conditions where you’re not going to have guaranteed support. The whole NATO strategy has been to invade small defenceless countries and brutalize people there. You don’t need to worry about stuff like logistics in these situations. A real war is a different animal.
Once again, it depends on where the tanks are deployed and what training the crews have. We do not know if these weapons were deployed and used in the same way. Unless you know this, you can’t really say.
Western media has been telling us that Ukrainians have been trained up to NATO standards. So, going by that we have to assume that that’s the quality of NATO training and weaponry on display.
That article talks about the t-14 armada like it’s a real tank, it’s obviously absolute garbage
There a list a mile long of visual t-72b3 visually confirm kills
T-14 is a new design that’s currently being tested, meanwhile any kind of tank can be taken out. The fact that you think that’s remarkable shows that you’re utterly clueless on the subject you’re opining on. The question is how different tanks compare, and Abrams so far is the one tank that looks to be pure garbage.
https://defence-blog.com/russia-abandons-armata-tank-due-to-its-high-cost/
It was never real buddy. All its achievements are as fake as the T95 it’s based on.
Evidently you’re having trouble with the concept of something being in development. Try applying the same logic to F-35, how long has that turd been in development now with only 30% of them being functional?
How many times has a defense minister said they’re not going to use the F35 because it’s too expensive?
How many times have F35s been used for anything other than crashing into the ocean?
Quite a lot by Israel right now.
last I checked, Israel mostly uses f-22s cause f-35 keep falling out of the sky https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-grounds-11-f-35-jets-after-us-fighter-crashes-during-test/
They’ve been “testing” it for more than a decade at this point and even if Russia is able to actually bring the T-14 into service, they won’t be able to produce any significant number of them for the same reason their tank corps isn’t using many T-90M right now.
Go look up Operation Desert Storm and rethink what you wrote there.
If there’s anything here that’s garbage, it’s your notions about tank design.
Uh yeah, developing new weapons platforms takes a long time. Look at how long US has been fumbling trying to make F-35 work. Also, if you still think that Russia doesn’t have industrial capacity to mass produce these, then you might want to read what people with a clue have to say https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
LMFAO yeah, Abrams is great at blowing up tanks from the 70s with barely trained crews. Not so good at modern warfare against a peer competitor.
Any tank where electronics start to break down when it rains is very obviously a giant piece of shit.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/29/europe/ukraine-war-us-tanks-intl/index.html
So the superior Russian army destroying the ill trained Ukrainians is not the same thing? Interesting…
Given that Ukrainians have been trained up to NATO standards for the past eight years, you’re presumably admitting something about the quality of NATO training. Interesting…