• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    if they had industrialized it, if there had been no extraction of wealth, resources and of human labor

    Fucking lol. Imagine claiming credit for developments of Estonia’s economy before you invaded, and then asserting that you caused that AND trying to sweep your own extraction of value under the rug.

    Fascists never change, huh?

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      I’m not saying the USSR was responsible for the development of the Estonian economy, Estonia was relatively industrialised prior to the establishment of the USSR. But the Estonian industry grew very fast even after the annexation to the USSR. Again, you’re grasping to whatever you can, because all the evidence points towards the same: there was no colonialism in the USSR.

      trying to sweep your own extraction of value under the rug

      Please. Show me the data for that. Show me how exploited the Estonians were, how much lower their wages were than in the rest of the USSR. Spoiler alert: data contradicts your claims.

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        I’m not saying the USSR was responsible for the development of the Estonian economy,

        Really? Because that rather sounds like what you’re saying with the comparison you make here

        If the british had built comparable infrastructure in India as in the UK, if they had industrialized it,

        But I don’t know why I expect consistency from red fash.

        Please. Show me the data for that. Show me how exploited the Estonians were, how much lower their wages were than in the rest of the USSR. Spoiler alert: data contradicts your claims.

        The second external strategy employed by the Soviet Union to rebuild its devastated economic infrastructure was the joint company. It became a ubiquitous institution in Eastern Europe. The joint company enabled the U.S.S.R. to extract resources and products from a region partially occupied militarily by the Soviet Army and completely reorganized by the Communist Party. So effective had the joint company and Soviet exploitation become that the economic world of Eastern Europe was turned upside down. Not only did the U.S.S.R. impose the goals of socialism and industrialism on essentially peasant societies, it altered the region’s traditional trade pattern that had focused on commerce with Central and Western Europe. By 1947, commerce flowed in the opposite direction as seventy-five percent of all Russian imports originated in Eastern Europe

        But tell me more about how THIS form of market capture over vassalized states is TOTALLY different than the British Empire’s form of market capture over vassalized states /s

        https://www.jstor.org/stable/24664533

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          Trading between different republics within the USSR wasn’t subjected to unequal exchange, which conforms the BASIS of colonialism. Saying that Estonia went and started trading more with the USSR than with the west is as useful and interesting analysis than saying after the 90s Poland started trading more with the west than with Russia.

          Again, please, for the love of god, read a fucking book on what colonialism is and what “unequal exchange” means. It’s literal high-school stuff, the whole “import raw materials and cheap labor, export complex to manufacture goods”, remember???