• the_toast_is_gone@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    If raping and murdering people is an acceptable way to bring attention to issues, then the Russian invasion of Ukraine under the pretense of eliminating anti-Russian bias and removing Nazi influence in their government. You and I both know that’s a ridiculous statement, but it follows logically from yours.

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      2 days ago

      It does not follow logically because Ukraine is fully incapable of blockading and raiding Russia at will. At least until Russia forced them to militarize by invading them in 2014.

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        2 days ago

        Ukraine’s capabilities wouldn’t change whether Russia’s invasion was unjust. If they were a corrupt nation run by neo-Nazis (they aren’t) and Russia wanted to draw attention to it, then they’d be justified in attacking Ukraine.

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            2 days ago

            I don’t really know what “resistance ideology” is. Are otherwise-heinous actions acceptable if they come from a weaker party? Is this that power-plus-prejudice thing again?

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              2 days ago

              Maybe go read a bit on that and see what it does for your understanding of the Isreal-Palestinian conflict.

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                2 days ago

                I found this article, which specifically states:

                Under international law the right to resist excludes recourse to violence against civilians.

                That sounds to me like Hamas isn’t allowed to kill civilians. Do I understand that correctly?

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                  2 days ago

                  That’s a Wikipedia article that’s not about resistance ideology. It’s sole citation for that line is a book written by a Jewish professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. You might as well ask a white man what he thinks of the indian problem in the 1800’s. Well we massacred an entire town but them doing anything about that is just plain wrong.

                  Maybe start somewhere like this, where people who have interviewed former IRA fighters talk about how they viewed violence as legitimate but that didn’t stop them from accepting peace once their goal of a free Ireland had been met.

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                    2 days ago

                    So just give it to me straight, do you think it’s okay to shoot up a concert where nobody could reasonably be considered a threat to you? Consider that in isolation. It’s a simple question yes or no question. I’ll read your thing about “resistance ideology” if you can answer that.