Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower-body strength.
Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lung function.
Transgender women had a higher percentage of fat mass, lower fat-free mass, and weaker handgrip strength compared to cisgender men.
Transgender women’s bone density was found to be equivalent to that of cisgender women, which is linked to muscle strength.
There were no meaningful differences found between the two groups’ hemoglobin profiles. Hemoglobin (Hb) plays a crucial role in athletic performance by facilitating improved oxygen delivery to muscles. Elite endurance athletes may exhibit up to a 40% higher level of Hb compared to untrained individuals. Moreover, heightened levels of Hb typically correlate with enhanced aerobic performance.
I want you to stop and really think critically about what you are trying to suggest. Do you really think it’s a good idea for trans men who are regularly taking testosterone should be forced to compete against women who aren’t? Do you really think trans women who have lower testosterone levels than cis women (because they are medically surpressing) have some sort of advantage?
What you’re saying is at odds with observable facts, scientific studies and frankly common sense.
Do away with gendered leagues and put it into a multi-tiered system when people compete for positions in different tiers, and potentially have multiple paths so that people can see games of sheer power or precise technique and there’s never a situation like three Pats or the Yankees where money is what buys the best team (all players in a tier would have similar performance).
I’ve been under the impression that the top leagues NFL, MLB, NHL, etc… aren’t necessarily gendered, but women just can’t compete. That’s why they have women only leagues so they have a place they can compete. Am I wrong about this?
There are sports where women have reached or surpassed men’s records, for example long-distance endurance races or some accuracy-based competitions. Anything where raw explosive strength or size isn’t the main deciding factor. There are examples in history where women have been banned from participating in specific sports because they have been able to win in competition with men.
I think, for the leagues you listed, size, strength and speed are often key, and as such most men have an advantage over most women. I don’t doubt there could be exceptions to that rule.
I have asked people like this multiple times if the best WNBA player is better than the worst NBA player, and they usually say yes without having any possible way to know that.
I mean, you could ask me instead of assume. I would respond I have no idea about that specifically because I don’t like basketball and don’t pay attention to it at all. However, I do watch the NHL and the PWHL. Do I think the worst NHL player is better than the best PWHL player? Yes. I don’t even think the PWHL is at the AHL level of play. Just watching the speed of the plays, the structure of the plays, they’re not close. The PWHL play is more like men’s collegiate play. So, if you’re asking me if I would rather draft someone at that play level that is in their prime playing at their peak, or someone that is playing at that level who is a young player with room to grow, it’s an obvious choice.
Here’s the other part of that. The PWHL is an incredibly young league only 2 years old and with only 6 teams. It takes time, generations even, to develop the interest and the infrastructure to support young women/girls in hockey (or anything). You don’t wave a magic wand and suddenly have a vast pool of women that can play at that level. Do I think that league will mature and get younger women interested in playing more and fostering even better future talent? I really hope so, I would love to see it. At that point, will my answer change? It’s very possible. Circling back to your WNBA question. The WNBA is a much more mature league, 28 years old with 15 teams. We’re probably just now seeing the true “fruits of the labor” of that league. I’m just entirely unqualified to make that kind of judgment because I have zero interest in that sport. But even I know of Caitlin Clark, and that speaks volumes.
Ah yes, the Air Bud rule of women in men’s sports.
Do you think any woman would have a chance in those leagues? The minute they even tried, they would start getting so much shit.
Jackie Robinson was one of the bravest men who ever lived. He was far from the first to try to break the “unwritten” color barrier in baseball. Everyone else who tried had been driven off before they could even start. And I’m guessing he wasn’t getting the rape threats any woman who wanted to try would get.
Of course not. Do you think all the black men who tried to break the color barrier before Jackie Robinson weren’t brave enough?
Saying, “this isn’t worth me putting up with” when you have to put up with death threats or rape threats for something like being on a sports team is not cowardice.
This is like claiming that a black family who moves out of town after a cross is burnt on their lawn are cowards. I sincerely hope you don’t believe that.
I didn’t say you made that claim. Hence my using the word “like.”
And how am I backpedaling at all? You asked me if I thought they were cowards and I said no and explained why. That’s literally the opposite of backpedaling.
Did you just not bother reading anything I wrote before responding?
How many trans athletes do you think there are that there’s enough for leagues? Some states have like single digits. It’s ridiculous. The fact that a president is spending time on this is absurd. This is a local school district issue if that.
I don’t know what you’re trying to do here but it doesn’t feel nice. The comment was “Sounds like we need trans leagues.” And I said that’s the only thing that’s “fair”.
Because I don’t think it’s fair to have trans people play with the cis genders. On the other hand, I want them to have the ability to play. Although with the current landscape of hate and useless discussions, that seems to be only possible in their own leagues.
Compromises need to be made and people don’t realize that.
It’s not that simple, you need to understand the effects that Hormone Replace Therapy has on the body. Men and trans women physically do not have the same type of body and the studies even shows trans women perform worse than cis women in most areas.
Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lower-body strength.
Transgender women performed worse than cisgender women in tests measuring lung function.
Transgender women had a higher percentage of fat mass, lower fat-free mass, and weaker handgrip strength compared to cisgender men.
Transgender women’s bone density was found to be equivalent to that of cisgender women, which is linked to muscle strength.
There were no meaningful differences found between the two groups’ hemoglobin profiles. Hemoglobin (Hb) plays a crucial role in athletic performance by facilitating improved oxygen delivery to muscles. Elite endurance athletes may exhibit up to a 40% higher level of Hb compared to untrained individuals. Moreover, heightened levels of Hb typically correlate with enhanced aerobic performance.
I want you to stop and really think critically about what you are trying to suggest. Do you really think it’s a good idea for trans men who are regularly taking testosterone should be forced to compete against women who aren’t? Do you really think trans women who have lower testosterone levels than cis women (because they are medically surpressing) have some sort of advantage?
What you’re saying is at odds with observable facts, scientific studies and frankly common sense.
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Sounds like we need trans leagues.
Edit: I thought it was obvious, but apparently it wasn’t. This is not a serious comment.
Do away with gendered leagues and put it into a multi-tiered system when people compete for positions in different tiers, and potentially have multiple paths so that people can see games of sheer power or precise technique and there’s never a situation like three Pats or the Yankees where money is what buys the best team (all players in a tier would have similar performance).
I’ve been under the impression that the top leagues NFL, MLB, NHL, etc… aren’t necessarily gendered, but women just can’t compete. That’s why they have women only leagues so they have a place they can compete. Am I wrong about this?
There are sports where women have reached or surpassed men’s records, for example long-distance endurance races or some accuracy-based competitions. Anything where raw explosive strength or size isn’t the main deciding factor. There are examples in history where women have been banned from participating in specific sports because they have been able to win in competition with men.
I think, for the leagues you listed, size, strength and speed are often key, and as such most men have an advantage over most women. I don’t doubt there could be exceptions to that rule.
I have asked people like this multiple times if the best WNBA player is better than the worst NBA player, and they usually say yes without having any possible way to know that.
I mean, you could ask me instead of assume. I would respond I have no idea about that specifically because I don’t like basketball and don’t pay attention to it at all. However, I do watch the NHL and the PWHL. Do I think the worst NHL player is better than the best PWHL player? Yes. I don’t even think the PWHL is at the AHL level of play. Just watching the speed of the plays, the structure of the plays, they’re not close. The PWHL play is more like men’s collegiate play. So, if you’re asking me if I would rather draft someone at that play level that is in their prime playing at their peak, or someone that is playing at that level who is a young player with room to grow, it’s an obvious choice.
Here’s the other part of that. The PWHL is an incredibly young league only 2 years old and with only 6 teams. It takes time, generations even, to develop the interest and the infrastructure to support young women/girls in hockey (or anything). You don’t wave a magic wand and suddenly have a vast pool of women that can play at that level. Do I think that league will mature and get younger women interested in playing more and fostering even better future talent? I really hope so, I would love to see it. At that point, will my answer change? It’s very possible. Circling back to your WNBA question. The WNBA is a much more mature league, 28 years old with 15 teams. We’re probably just now seeing the true “fruits of the labor” of that league. I’m just entirely unqualified to make that kind of judgment because I have zero interest in that sport. But even I know of Caitlin Clark, and that speaks volumes.
Assume what? I wasn’t even talking to you.
Or is this a “I forgot which sockpuppet I was using” situation?
Ah yes, the Air Bud rule of women in men’s sports.
Do you think any woman would have a chance in those leagues? The minute they even tried, they would start getting so much shit.
Jackie Robinson was one of the bravest men who ever lived. He was far from the first to try to break the “unwritten” color barrier in baseball. Everyone else who tried had been driven off before they could even start. And I’m guessing he wasn’t getting the rape threats any woman who wanted to try would get.
So you’re saying that women just aren’t brave enough?
Of course not. Do you think all the black men who tried to break the color barrier before Jackie Robinson weren’t brave enough?
Saying, “this isn’t worth me putting up with” when you have to put up with death threats or rape threats for something like being on a sports team is not cowardice.
This is like claiming that a black family who moves out of town after a cross is burnt on their lawn are cowards. I sincerely hope you don’t believe that.
I didn’t make any such claim. You did. Now you’re back peddling, so I guess there wasn’t any point to your previous comment?
I didn’t say you made that claim. Hence my using the word “like.”
And how am I backpedaling at all? You asked me if I thought they were cowards and I said no and explained why. That’s literally the opposite of backpedaling.
Did you just not bother reading anything I wrote before responding?
How many trans athletes do you think there are that there’s enough for leagues? Some states have like single digits. It’s ridiculous. The fact that a president is spending time on this is absurd. This is a local school district issue if that.
No, I don’t think there is enough. That’s the joke.
Fewer than 10 nationwide playing in college and that probably includes ftm.
https://thehill.com/homenews/lgbtq/5046662-ncaa-president-transgender-athletes-college-sports/
Only thing that is fair imo.
Fair to whom?
Everybody. It eliminates any sort of discussion.
Discussion about what? And what is wrong with discussion?
About gender and strength and everything.
What’s wrong with discussing such things?
I don’t know what you’re trying to do here but it doesn’t feel nice. The comment was “Sounds like we need trans leagues.” And I said that’s the only thing that’s “fair”.
Because I don’t think it’s fair to have trans people play with the cis genders. On the other hand, I want them to have the ability to play. Although with the current landscape of hate and useless discussions, that seems to be only possible in their own leagues.
Compromises need to be made and people don’t realize that.