• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    1 year ago

    I’m not doing any grandstanding. You know perfectly well that implementing Minsk was a huge part of his platform, and if he actually did it then there likely wouldn’t have been a war. The fact that you won’t acknowledge this says volumes. It’s incredible to see people like you pretending that the war couldn’t have been averted. Now thousands of people have died, millions had their lives ruined, but you don’t care about any of that because it’s not your ass on the front lines.

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      1 year ago

      1st. he didn’t really campaign on any promise to follow the Minsk Agreement, and he’s outright stated that. He literally campaign to reduce corruption, remove russian corruptive influences, get closer to the EU and to stop the war. Only vatniks like you keep saying this over and over again, removing any agency the Ukrainian people have.

      2nd. There was only 1 aggressor here… the war started and ends with Russia.

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        1 year ago

        Except nobody is removing any agency from the Ukrainian people here. You’re just stating a lie to create a false narrative that all of Ukraine was united behind your nationalist movement. Nobody is debating who the aggressor here is either. That’s another rhetorical trick you like to use to distract from the actual point being made which is that the war could have been avoided.

        One thing we can agree on is that the war will indeed end when Russia decides and it will end on Russian terms because NATO is now very clearly tapped out in its support for Ukraine. The NATO summit made it very clear that Ukraine isn’t going to be part of NATO any time soon, and that there won’t be any better guarantees than the ones Ukraine is getting now. As Petr Pavel openly said, Ukraine’s got six months left.

        You can keep calling me names all you like, but sooner or later you’re going to have to start engaging with reality that the west used Ukraine to try and weaken Russia, and now that it’s no longer able to do that the west will discard Ukraine like a used condom. This is the fate of every western proxy to date, and if you think the fate of Ukraine is going to be any different what else is there to say to you.