Steakn’t
I’d argue that if a hamburger is not made in Hamburg, it should not be able to be named anything better than “sparkling patty disher”
Seems like a relatively pro-consumer policy for so many people to be upset about it. They’re not banning Beyond burgers or mushroom steak. It’s still going to taste the same and have the same distribution network.
They just have to alter the label. In the US a “slider”, “whopper”, “quarter pounder”, and “baconator” are among the most popular burgers and not one of them needs the word burger in it’s marketing.
Sure, it’s not really solving a problem, but it’s ensuring more informative labeling. Proprietary phone charging cables weren’t a real problem either, but it felt like everyone was glad when the EU standardized it.
“Steek and Bergers”?
Good only cucumber shaped meats can be called sausage!
The gods knows the horrors that would fall upon humanity if plant based foods could be called the same as plant shaped meats.
Another shitty lobby demand became regulation just like that. Besides, protecting the label „burger“? Really? You know what I‘ll just call them sandwiches from now on. Fuck that.
It’s an odd one, because we’ve had veggie burgers for as long as I can remember.
Exactly. Veggie burgers are waaay older than any “plant based meat” products. Haloumi is at least 500 years old. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were haloumi burgers before the word burger existed. And I can’t imaging it took long after the word became used for meat sandwiches, someone also used it for a vegetarian variant.
There’s at least two more votes at different levels before this becomes regulation.
People don’t really understand how EU works
To be fair, the media usually does a real shit job of explaining it.
If they explained things they wouldn’t be able to sell panic, fear or anger as easily.
That’s true
Meanwhile Brussels city just scrapped the money to shelter homeless when it’s freezing
You can still call them burger. You just cannot sell them as burgers. So unless you sell vegan burgers for a living, this does not affect you whatsoever.
I mean, it’ll be harder to search for “burger” on my supermarket’s website to find vegetarian alternatives to burgers. They’ll get more expensive because they have to relabel things. And my EP representatives have to waste their time on this instead of important issues.
Nah fuck that. They‘re just sandwiches anyway. This might not affect me directly but it‘s still bullshit overregulation and should be boycotted because who is to tell where it will end? Next thing you know they prohibit gender speech as well. I hate everything about this.
Next thing you know they prohibit gender speech as well.
In some german states they already have prohibit gender speech in public institutions, including schools and universities.
It does affect me to know that my tax money is used by these bunch of fucks to discuss bullshit like that.
My grandma died of anemia because she was unfed in her retirement home but these bunch of privilege motherfuckers have the time to discuss vegan burgers? Bitch please
A lot of companies sell vegan burgers, though.
If they have a line of burgers, some of which have meat in them and some don’t, what are they supposed to do? Keep two different brands separately, putting their fish, chicken and bovine burgers under one brand and others under another? Or just ditch the word “burger” altogether?
It’s affecting me that I’m paying 50% income tax to pay for a bunch of crony politicians to chitchat about such bullshit
This stinks of (rotten) meat lobby.
I hope the meat substitute industry comes up with some kind of ‘it’s not meat’ marketing campaign to counter this.
It worked for oat milk. I’m buying “no milk” all the time 😅
NOT M!LK :)
A company here just calls everything Salmo’n, Chicke’n and so on, technically it isn’t the actual word.
That seems pretty scummy and misleading. I’m not a fan of the restrictive naming Iike in the article, but the name shouldn’t try to mislead either.
A burger is more about the form, same even for sausage, steak is more gray area, something like “veggie minced meat” or stuff with “meat” in the name is a no-no imo
Okay, I like it as I am looking for replacements for salmon or chicken. So if they start calling their burger burge’r to circument such rules I wouldn’t mind.
I get how similar naming can be useful in knowing what sort of product you’re getting and what it can be used to replace, but I dislike more how it is purposefully misleading. Shouldn’t be allowed to call it that close to salmon without it containing any salmon. Same for other similar ingredient names where there’s a chance of confusion.
A meat product being quirky and inverting the m so it is marketed as w’eat would just be… No.
Praise the lord.
I hope the meat substitute industry comes up with some kind of ‘it’s not meat’ marketing campaign to counter this.
Well, honestly it would be fucking time they come out with some name that not mimic the meat products name.
Congrats to the meat-farmers and -industry! It shows you are “winning” the game against vegetarians and vegans. Now you can finally stop your usual whining about subsidies and the like - everything solved eh?
Praise the lord
meat-farmer
Hah
I’m sorry, but the “green” burgers aren’t burgers. It’s the same like calling margarine butter.
Yeah “green” burgers don’t involve torturing sentient beings.
sentient beings
lol only torture is your anthropomorphism
Non-human animals with brains and central nervous systems are sentient. Your anthropocentrism is showing.
Haha
Keep digging the hole.
Yes they do. The poor beings that have to eat that crap.
grow the fuck up
Plants are sentient they feel pain.
😑 so torture a bunch of alfalfa, or a bunch of alfalfa and a much larger more sentient cow as well?
I just stated a fact. I didn’t share my opinion on veganism. You just established that you aren’t against the torturing of sentient beings and that you think life dying in order to support other life is a good thing. That you do infact see some life as inferior to other life. I just wanted to point out your extremely poor choice of words lol
im not sure how far your understanding of biology goes lil bro
Let’s say plants can suffer:
- Option 1: Torture and kill 4kcal worth of plant, then feed it to an animal. Torture and kill that animal. Calories produced: 1kcal. Suffering generated: 4kcal plants + 1kcal animal.
- Option 2: Torture and kill 1kcal of plant. Eat it. Calories produced: 1kcal. Suffering generated: 1kcal plant
Therefore: A vegan always produces less suffering than a vegetarian or omnivore.
And a fruitarian produces less suffering than a vegan , but why stop there?
Wow. This is the state of our education system.
Wow.
They are not, they don’t even have a central nervous system.
Citation needed.
It wasn’t until the 21st century that we showed fairly conclusively that fish can feel pain. So it seems very unlikely that we have strong evidence that plants do.
Unless you are arguing we shouldn’t have had compassion for fish and their suffering up until very recently I think your point supports mine. We do know they respond to stimuli and some root systems form neural like structures so it seems probable. Imagine hooking up pain and suffering tolerance to science and thinking you are a good person ha. Could you even?
You’re an idiot
Okay shit sausage chase me to other posts. But you are still a shit sausage lol
Plants have feelings too
No, they do not. There is no serious study to suggest that they do. Plants do not have a brain or central nervous system. At most, they respond to stimuli. If you really care that much about the welfare of plants, you should go vegan, since many more plants “die” for animal feeding. Do you feel bad while mowing your lawn? And would you rather rescue a potted plant than a dog from a burning house? Is docking pig tails the same as branch trimming to you? Question upon question…
Edit: Getting downvoted for scientific facts.
Manches der Sachen in der Bullshit Bingo sind wirklich Bullshit seitens der Veganer*innen. Sind nicht viele, aber da sind zwei, drei Sachen.
Als fast Vegetarier*in kann ich schon gut nachvollziehen warum Leute vegan werden. Aber es halt auch einiges an Misinfo seitens Veganer*innen z.B. die Sache mit dem Lab, wo Statistiken aus der USA verwendet werden obwohl in Europa eher künstliches Lab gängiger ist.
Ich würde auch nie behaupten, dass alle Veganis immer die Wahrheit sagen. Aber welche Misinfo meinst du denn genau? Über Lab-Statistiken weiß ich nichts, steht das da auf der Seite?
Es sind halt so manche Sachen die halt oft falsch von irgendwelche Moralapostel wiedergegeben werden. Da wird z.B. bzgl. Käse gerne gesagt, dass Kälber geschlachtet werden nur um an tierisches Lab zu kommen um Käse herstellen zu können obwohl bei ca. 80% aller heimischen Käsen künstliches Lab benutzt wird, da diese günstiger und leichter zugänglich ist.
Auch wird gerne gesagt, dass alles Milch aus der unfreiwilligen Schwängerung von Kühen kommt obwohl es reichlich Biobauernhöfe gibt, die keine erzwungene Schwangerschaft machen sondern einen Bullen mit den Kühen auf die Weide stellen sobald die Kühe wieder brünstig werden. Die Zeit zwischen Gebären und Brunst variiert von Tier zu Tier. Bei Kühen ist es etwa vier Wochen. Ziegen zwei Wochen. Schafe sechs Monate.
Wer tierische Produkte gänzlich meiden will, hab ich mit keine Probleme, solange man nicht irgendwelche Peta oder ALF Argumente benutzt die gar nicht stimmen.
Gegen Vegetarismus gibt es kaum Gegenargumente wenn Vegetarismus gewissenhaft eingehalten wird. Gibt aber genug Vegetarier*innen, die sich nicht bewusst sind welche Firmen bei Molkerei und Eierprodukte unnötiges Tierleid verursachen.
That’s why they’re called veggie burgers, or are you just unfamiliar with how language works? Would you accept a glass of body milk with your breakfast?
They tend to advertise very heavily they are not meat, because they want to be found -specifically by people looking to purchase things that are not meat. Claiming there’s some form of “trickery” afoot is high horseshit
I don’t mind if a meat-free burger is called a burger, as long as they make clear there’s no meat in it. “Meat-free burger”, “vegan burger”, I think that’s fine.
The same boomers whining about “vegan burgers” also whine about margarine being called margarine instead of butter, all while hating real butter for being “hard to spread and tasting the same”.
You’re supposed to leave the butter out of the fridge. And tastes really good, unlike margarine.
But margarine literally isn’t butter? I’ve never heard anyone complain about that. If anything, the opposite. Don’t hand someone margarine when they asked for butter.
EU parliamentarians are so far up their ass, they can’t even see the big ass VEGAN logo that is on every vegan meat replacement product
So why not call it a vegan patty or something similar. This is ultimately a regional issue as every region will hold meaning of labels differently.
What do you think we should call vegan sausage? And why is it a problem to call it vegan sausage?
Often they’re specifically meat replacement products so being able to call it as closely the product they’re meant to be replacing as possible is useful for them. Tells the consumer what kind of product it is and so on. Though that same thing can lead consumers to expect a different product to what they’re getting.
The expectation matters.
Haha yeah awesome real problems getting solved by serious politicians here, guys! If you can actually get your hands on any real meat without paying an arm and a leg for it what the actual fuck are we doing here lads what the fuck are these fucking politicians doing???
The world is on fire, the economy is in the shitter globally, there are multiple ongoing genocides, facism is on the rise again, and we’re wiggling our dicks around talking about whether you can call veggie burgers “burgers”? Are you serious? WHO CARES???
Is this bring your kid to work day and they let the kids do a vote for a change instead as a treat? Is this a joke?? What motherfucker is getting into politics to make sure “hey those damn vegans better not call anything a burger”.
These poncy little briefcase-botherers need a hobby or something because this is absolutely the biggest case of dicking around on the job I’ve ever heard of. Ridiculous. Stupid. A joke. Pathetic. Childish. Vapid. Can we get some adults in the EU Parliament please?
why are they doing this shit when there are so many problems in the world?
because they already participated in those problems.
In reality, it’s because the farming lobby is the biggest lobby inside the EU. This is an easy “win” that MEPs can use to get beef farmers to vote for them again.
Same reason CAP will never be reformed.
Or.
We could tackle multiple problems at once. Why does it have to be a this-or-that thing?
This is in a very literal way not a problem though. They were just bribed by the meat industry.
I’m paying 50% income taxes to pay for a bunch of cronies to chitchat about this bullcrap. Meanwhile they just scraped the money to shelter homeless people during winter
I’m totally in favour of solving multiple problems at once.
Personally, I do not view this as a problem. My issue is with the EU Parliament wasting time with this in place of anything that I perceive as an actual problem.
If you think that calling veggie burgers “burgers” is a problem worth their time and effort, more power to you 👍
To me this is also a non problem. But if they can solve it just so they can move on, that’d be great
Voting the way an industry told them to vote is not solving anything. Shouldn’t have been considered worthy of a vote at all.
Because resources must be prioritized. There simply are more pressing matters to tend to.
This is a non-issue and should have the lowest priority as it’s pandering to a lobby and will likely result in backfiring because more creative names will pop up, possibly leading to even more acceptance of vegan products 😁
Honestly, coming up with a better name would be great. It would likely help the vegan products as well
Welcome to the European Union. Solving non-issues is what they do all day.
This is just stupid. Make it clear the product doesn’t have meat in it. It’s not that hard. Surely people can’t be confused by veggie burger vs burger?
Current labelling is correctly understood by 70% of sampled population according to the article. That’s lower than I would have expected.
You underestimate how stupid the average person is.
As clearly shown in this thread. Sooo many deeply stupid comments. The vast majority agreeing with this change, general anti-vegan idiocy, and trolls. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a comment section for something even remotely related to veganism without shitty and dumb people like that, it’s like they sit and scour the whole Internet with every minute of their time, ready to jump in and act like children who got their lollipop stolen. They’re pathetic people.
I went vegetarian two years ago and cannot for the life of me fathom how one cannot differentiate… That said, I’m from Sweden and products in other countries might be marketed differently so I wouldn’t be able to say, but still.
Only issue I often come across here in Sweden is that different companies use “veggie” differently. Some use it only for vegan products, others use it for vegetarian products and it’s not always clear which is which without reading the ingredients list. I’ve accidentally bought stuff with milk, cheese and eggs in them many times because it wasn’t clearly written anywhere and it’s easy to miss stuff when you’re at the store and reading the (often long) ingredient list of several things while in a hurry. It happens even more often with family and friends who aren’t vegan and buy stuff they usually don’t when they make food for you. In those cases I still eat the food, just point out the non-vegan ingredient(s) the product has and ask them to just look at the ingredients list when buying and/or even calling me so I can help them.
But allergens like milk and egg are highlighted in the ingredient list https://www.livsmedelsverket.se/foretagande-regler-kontroll/regler-for-livsmedelsforetag/information-markning-och-pastaenden/allergeninformation
Yeah but imagine you want to buy some factory meat and realise at home that they didn’t even torture animals for the patty that you bought? The horror.
I mean imagine the confusion the other way around. Some scummy company was misleading you into thinking your buying a veggie patty but instead you bought a (meat) steak. Obviously nobody is happy about a product misleading them like that.
I’d go a step further and require labeling meat as having come from an animal. So the source of food would have to precede the term, such as “cow burger”, “pig burger”. Can do the same for milk. Make all dairy farmers put “cow milk” rather than just “milk”. It’s way less confusing that way. Include a warning that the product contains lactose. Instead of a logo to signify vegetarian products, make one to signify animal products. Use the silhouette of a horse or something.
Never underestimate what people can get confused about. People will also still buy veggie burgers expecting them to have meat, after they would be relabeled eventually.
It’s an excuse. A bullshit one. The real reason for this “problem” being addressed is that the meat industry is threatened, and lobbies hard to fight the plant based industry.
But they will lose, eventually.
I’ve seen vegetarian minced meat type thing that had it like this
veggie minced meat product
Seemed kinda silly, you’d think being a veggie thing would’ve been a value add selling point
Fucking idiots. Almost nobody is able to decipher the ingredients including E numbers, but people are confused by “burger”
this has nothing to do with people being confused, and everything with meat industry being worried about their profits
I know. Tönnies sei dank
Finally EU is back innovating! Oh wait 🤦♂️
Seems a bit strange to expect EU Parliament to be an innovative body
another useless legislation, like how in the US, klobaucher wanted to do a “flag” legislation.
I’m sure this critical decision will help us.
Veggie burgers have been around since the 1940s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veggie_burger
The Morningstar ones are damn good too. I think they’re black bean based.
Ayyy morningstar
Much better than the Impossible to eat burger.
