Food addiction is kinda unique in that list, since there aren’t really people who go “akshully, smoking is really good for you and you need to respect my constant smoking!” or “my porn addiction is actually something you should love, if you dislike my porn addiction you’re discriminating against me”
People should be allowed to enjoy and feel proud of whatever they wish. Food addiction also has nothing to do with this topic, too.
In the context of body it is a completely different thing than behavior, because it is not something you can detach yourself out of. Feeling good in one’s own body is their right and choice, and there is no good reason to destroy a person’s own wishes.
In the context of body it is a completely different thing than behavior,
It’s not. Obesity is, for basically every obese person, the direct result of their behaviour. You don’t become obese without a sustained pattern of overeating.
Overeating is not always voluntary, such in the case of BED (Binge Eating Disorder)
And there is no way to distinguish between the reasons by looks alone. And obese people being such from factors they control or not should not be treated differently.
I didn’t actually say anything about voluntary behaviour. In fact, the two other examples I gave were both addictions, which are entire involuntary as well.
I know, knocking over strawmen is both easy and fun, and you’re free to keep doing it, but please don’t pretend those were my points.
Your first comment in this chain wrote that some people with food addictions are unique because people with other behavior don’t try to find pride and joy in it. Trying to find such things is a voluntary action.
You then tried to strictly attach body size to overeating when I talking about feeling proud of oneself and for their wishes . If one is overeating voluntarily and feeling good about it, that’s voluntary. And if one has an involuntary food addiction and tries to put pride in it, that would be voluntary too. We are talking about people that feel good about themself, about voluntary actions.
The topic of the conversation you started here is respect and pride of self. Behavior has nothing to do with this because the grand majority of people into fat liberation is prideful of their fat body, and not of their eating patterns.
If you feel I attacked a straw man, you missed the topic of the conversation you started. If instead I missed something behind the lines, do say them because that’s how you passed.
Yeah, this thread had more than a little mixing and matching. I’ll just loop back a bit.
I agree that everyone should be allowed to feel proud of anything they want to. If you want to be proud of cutting yourself, of your marathon run, of your porn addiction, of your eleventh toe, of your bubonic plauge, of your poetry writing, of your religion, of you morbid obesity or of the fact that you secretly think white people are the master race, you can go right ahead. Since I’m not a mindreader, what you think and feel has absolutely zero effect on me or society.
But it becomes an entirely different matter once you start promoting any of this. Once you start to actively promote your ideas, it becomes much more important to weigh the effect of those ideas on society.
We can pretty easily come to a conclusion that we don’t want “white people are the master race” as an idea present everywhere in society. We can agree that “cutting yourself is a good thing to do” is also not great. We can agree that promoting porn addiction, smoking, opium abuse, bubonic plague and all sorts of things are bad for society.
But somehow, we can’t seem to agree that promoting obesity is a bad thing, and that’s really weird, isn’t it?
Because this is not promotion of obesity. Nobody is being advertised to be fat from the grand majority of fat lib individuals, unless the person is radicalized. Quite the contrary, where it is asked to let people that are already fat or want to be to be let be themself and receive the same respect as everyone else. It is asking for bodily autonomy and not be insulted and/or negatively stereotyped for their size. It is asking not to put being of normal BMI on a pedestal in all aspects of life, as discrimination on body size is present in many aspects of it.
It is not advertised or pushed to fat people that want to lose weight to just refuse that wish to lose weight as that is their bodily autonomy in effect. HEAS (Health at Every Size) wants access, compassion, autonomy and informed consent being given as finds it an improvement in the health of everyone at every size, no matter if fat or not. It doesn’t want to completely remove weight loss from healthcare. This is especially relevant in places where healthcare is not public.
“my porn addiction is actually something you should love, if you dislike my porn addiction you’re discriminating against me”
Abstinence is actually pretty harmful to your health, and masturbation is healthy. I think this example is a lot closer to overeating that you realize. On the other hand, no one considers smoking to be healthy.
Food addiction is kinda unique in that list, since there aren’t really people who go “akshully, smoking is really good for you and you need to respect my constant smoking!” or “my porn addiction is actually something you should love, if you dislike my porn addiction you’re discriminating against me”
People should be allowed to enjoy and feel proud of whatever they wish. Food addiction also has nothing to do with this topic, too.
In the context of body it is a completely different thing than behavior, because it is not something you can detach yourself out of. Feeling good in one’s own body is their right and choice, and there is no good reason to destroy a person’s own wishes.
It’s not. Obesity is, for basically every obese person, the direct result of their behaviour. You don’t become obese without a sustained pattern of overeating.
Obesity is a direct result of behaviour.
Misleading. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10541056/
Overeating is not always voluntary, such in the case of BED (Binge Eating Disorder)
And there is no way to distinguish between the reasons by looks alone. And obese people being such from factors they control or not should not be treated differently.
I didn’t actually say anything about voluntary behaviour. In fact, the two other examples I gave were both addictions, which are entire involuntary as well.
I know, knocking over strawmen is both easy and fun, and you’re free to keep doing it, but please don’t pretend those were my points.
Your first comment in this chain wrote that some people with food addictions are unique because people with other behavior don’t try to find pride and joy in it. Trying to find such things is a voluntary action.
You then tried to strictly attach body size to overeating when I talking about feeling proud of oneself and for their wishes . If one is overeating voluntarily and feeling good about it, that’s voluntary. And if one has an involuntary food addiction and tries to put pride in it, that would be voluntary too. We are talking about people that feel good about themself, about voluntary actions.
The topic of the conversation you started here is respect and pride of self. Behavior has nothing to do with this because the grand majority of people into fat liberation is prideful of their fat body, and not of their eating patterns.
If you feel I attacked a straw man, you missed the topic of the conversation you started. If instead I missed something behind the lines, do say them because that’s how you passed.
Yeah, this thread had more than a little mixing and matching. I’ll just loop back a bit.
I agree that everyone should be allowed to feel proud of anything they want to. If you want to be proud of cutting yourself, of your marathon run, of your porn addiction, of your eleventh toe, of your bubonic plauge, of your poetry writing, of your religion, of you morbid obesity or of the fact that you secretly think white people are the master race, you can go right ahead. Since I’m not a mindreader, what you think and feel has absolutely zero effect on me or society.
But it becomes an entirely different matter once you start promoting any of this. Once you start to actively promote your ideas, it becomes much more important to weigh the effect of those ideas on society.
We can pretty easily come to a conclusion that we don’t want “white people are the master race” as an idea present everywhere in society. We can agree that “cutting yourself is a good thing to do” is also not great. We can agree that promoting porn addiction, smoking, opium abuse, bubonic plague and all sorts of things are bad for society.
But somehow, we can’t seem to agree that promoting obesity is a bad thing, and that’s really weird, isn’t it?
Because this is not promotion of obesity. Nobody is being advertised to be fat from the grand majority of fat lib individuals, unless the person is radicalized. Quite the contrary, where it is asked to let people that are already fat or want to be to be let be themself and receive the same respect as everyone else. It is asking for bodily autonomy and not be insulted and/or negatively stereotyped for their size. It is asking not to put being of normal BMI on a pedestal in all aspects of life, as discrimination on body size is present in many aspects of it.
It is not advertised or pushed to fat people that want to lose weight to just refuse that wish to lose weight as that is their bodily autonomy in effect. HEAS (Health at Every Size) wants access, compassion, autonomy and informed consent being given as finds it an improvement in the health of everyone at every size, no matter if fat or not. It doesn’t want to completely remove weight loss from healthcare. This is especially relevant in places where healthcare is not public.
Abstinence is actually pretty harmful to your health, and masturbation is healthy. I think this example is a lot closer to overeating that you realize. On the other hand, no one considers smoking to be healthy.