The bit about avoidance might be insightful. Some people have anxiety about reading and writing, and the LLMs feel like they’re helping. But as this post says, they’re not. They’re making the anxiety worse in the long term.
Many people legitimately are bad at reading and writing. You’ll won’t find a ton of them here, on a platform that’s mostly text, but they’re out there. Struggling though life, probably embarrassed. An LLM that purports to let them skip uncomfortably engaging with text probably feels like a godsend. But it’s a trap. It’s a tarpit they’ll get stuck in and never develop skills of their own.
A population which has been beaten & brainwashed into learned-helplessness, is a population who can be mere-carrion, fed-upon long-term.
All the battering we’re getting from apparently-intentionally-wrong-design, UI & UX, and all the endless-battering from AI’s displacing reality from our world, well, if the point is to make certain that we don’t resist having our worth “appropriated” from us by the corporations which feed on our lives … then it’s working, isn’t it?
It isn’t us using as tools the good stuff, it is us not-having-any-say-anymore, & just aquiescing to anything that is decided on our behalf, re continual-machiavellian-licensing-alterations, re UI & UX, re everything!
The point is that we stop having any say, & get used to being used/abused.
Globally.
In all contexts.
Battered into all-pervading helpless aquiescence.
That is the intent which matches the implimentation we’re being subjected to.
“the benefit of the doubt” expired years ago, now.
This is DarkTriad war against our meaning, & validity, enforcing its totalitarian dominion through the tech our infrastructure is.
Because not-for-profits are as machiavellian as the for-profits ( as sickening as that is ), then there is NOBODY competing against the machiavellianism, displacing that malicious infrastructure with good infrastructure.
Marginal-competition isn’t counting in the world’s economy ( PieFed.social, Lemmy.World, etc, do NOT compete against Reddit at the economics-scale, & the “journalism” of the world is helping to enforce non-competition, too. )
Our gov’ts have gone full-in backing that rigging of our world: no alternative, in their policy’s eyes.
Ideally, some not-for-profits would begin competing against machiavellianism, & would begin simultaneously competing against the machiavellian infrastructure, but they’d have to do it against ALL the required-infrastructure, all the big-platforms…
Its a form of short hand in text stylization to emphasize words.
Think of it as when someone quickly bites off a word to drive a point.
Much like have someone would CAPITALIZE a word to over emphasize something as if raising one’s voice.
Or italicize or put to help over enunciate a word as if to speak it slowly and with pressure on every syllable.
Short hand verbal text communication is literally the body language of text communication. Hell it’s become so common place that many modern fiction novels now use it.
And just like any other language there’s even dialectics to it. So while it can be somewhat confusing to wander into a different community online and see different symbols and formats being used they are almost instantly understandable if you understand whats happening.
Thoughtshapes are themselves, & some are more “atomic”, & others are more “molecular”, & others are merely-associating.
I have to fight the urge to use “=” as double-hyphen, to indicate more-atomic, & “-” to indicate still-atomic-just-less, to try to communicate what thoughtshapes I’m meaning, & how their forms work/are.
Translating from thoughtshapes to English … is clumsy-as-hell, breaks many meanings, & prevents entire categories of meaning from being expressible.
I’ve been told by multilingual-people that what I’m describing exactly matches their frustration with getting meanings from 1 language into another.
White psychology holds that there are only 3 innate-mind-languages: VAK…
Visual
Auditory
Kinesthetic
but there are 4, at-least:
Abstract-Shape cognizers
Visual cognizers
Auditory cognizers
Kinesthetic cognizers
Each of those is mind-blind to things that the other kinds can see.
Temple Grandin did a TED Talk on exactly that, but didn’t mention the abstract-shape cognizers, iirc.
She COULDN’T have put the Fukushima-reactor emergency-generators at the bottom of pits, beside the ocean, because she would have SEEN that the tsunami that hit the building, which those generators were supposed to provide power after, would have drowned the things.
Obviously, non-visual-cognizers made that decision, mind-blind to the consequences, obliterating the usefulness of them.
From what I’ve been able to discover, abstract-shape cognizers are common only in physics.
There aren’t many ( I’ve met 2 others, that I’m certain of: I asked them, because their thinking was so different from the VAK types ), & it seems to be the only place where such kind-of-mind has significant … either advantage, or familiarity, not certain which.
So, TL;DR is:
using hyphens in trying to communicate which thoughtshapes are more-atomic, vs which are merely-associating, using the clumsiness of English’s words & grammar/syntax/punctuation,
so you people can get the actual feel for the intended thoughtshapes, themselves.
( instead of the English-bound approximations of them )
I keep telling people that AI will atrophy their brain the same way that tools like Google Maps did. We can’t navigate for shit now unless a piece of software tells us the route. The same thing is going to happen, but to really important judgment and thinking skills.
some of us were born without navigation, just as some of us were born with arithmetic-defect, or dyslexia, or face-blindness, or whatever.
We are locked-out without such help.
There is a balance between using help you actually-need, vs indulging-in-having-one’s-capability-displaced-by-help.
THAT is the thing that is making AI into the lethal-recreational-drug that it’s turning into.
People using it to substitute for reality, instead of using it for brainstorming & intelligently-condensing, or for editing-critique, etc.
If I ever get my not-for-profit started-up ( health problems come 1st ), then at this point I expect to have to fire about 19/20 of the people I hire, just because “if YOU sign-off on it, then YOU wrote it” … just “does not compute”, anymore, in this fake-fake-fake everything world.
When I found out that some people have a defect in their language-brain such that they CANNOT get spelling to work in English ( because their spelling is always auditory, & English is engineered to make that not-work ) … & then I found out that dyslexia is MUCH worse in English than it is in Italian, same root-problem … then I began understanding that English is engineered to lock-out many people, & I’d been blind to that…
just providing alternative-context, is all.
It’s the same as the “in the old days, the tough survived, & that was the right way” … yeah, except that accepting such a stupidly-high needless-death-rate to produce those few “successes” … was sociopathic, by today’s standards.
shows why broken-necks were so common in playgrounds, back in the early-photography days…
Nowadays children are DRASTICALLY more-likely to reach adulthood, & I think that’s a good thing … so the “weeding out” isn’t quite so heavy-handed, now.
All disabilities, though, can be rigged into a weeding-out.
The shorter-lifespan of left-handed people ( enforced stress ) is but 1 example of systemic-bias’s effects…
& I’m saying that over-relying on AI will, itself, produce a reduction-in-viability.
The “easy money: getting without giving” culture’s narcissism … isn’t going anywhere!
I’ve restored my navigation skills by playing through the Dark Souls trilogy. No map, no objective markers, just you and the slightly janky third person camera.
Damn, you just clicked for me why I have a pretty good sense of direction. I’ve occasionally impressed myself and others for years, with “do you not know how we got here?” or “well we came from that direction” in spite of a generally terrible memory and a passionate dislike of geography and learning street names, etc.
But you’re absolutely right, it’s video games: puzzle dungeons, huge open worlds, metroidvanias, I even prefer playing with the UI and maps off whenever possible, and somehow I’ve never made this connection before. Incredible.
This worked for me too but I still have trouble navigating landmarks that aren’t flaming wolfmen nailed to a cross, or colossal castles by the sea guarded by a dragon skeleton
2023 is when I first got a vehicle with a nav display, and that definitely dulled the more detailed navigation senses.
Cardinal directions still solid but the take a left on Y after X street info I had been cataloging in the back of my mind fell off quickly once I started turn by turn directions all the time.
The bit about avoidance might be insightful. Some people have anxiety about reading and writing, and the LLMs feel like they’re helping. But as this post says, they’re not. They’re making the anxiety worse in the long term.
Many people legitimately are bad at reading and writing. You’ll won’t find a ton of them here, on a platform that’s mostly text, but they’re out there. Struggling though life, probably embarrassed. An LLM that purports to let them skip uncomfortably engaging with text probably feels like a godsend. But it’s a trap. It’s a tarpit they’ll get stuck in and never develop skills of their own.
I think you’re missing the fundamental-intent:
learned-helplessness.
A population which has been beaten & brainwashed into learned-helplessness, is a population who can be mere-carrion, fed-upon long-term.
All the battering we’re getting from apparently-intentionally-wrong-design, UI & UX, and all the endless-battering from AI’s displacing reality from our world, well, if the point is to make certain that we don’t resist having our worth “appropriated” from us by the corporations which feed on our lives … then it’s working, isn’t it?
It isn’t us using as tools the good stuff, it is us not-having-any-say-anymore, & just aquiescing to anything that is decided on our behalf, re continual-machiavellian-licensing-alterations, re UI & UX, re everything!
The point is that we stop having any say, & get used to being used/abused.
Globally.
In all contexts.
Battered into all-pervading helpless aquiescence.
That is the intent which matches the implimentation we’re being subjected to.
“the benefit of the doubt” expired years ago, now.
This is DarkTriad war against our meaning, & validity, enforcing its totalitarian dominion through the tech our infrastructure is.
Because not-for-profits are as machiavellian as the for-profits ( as sickening as that is ), then there is NOBODY competing against the machiavellianism, displacing that malicious infrastructure with good infrastructure.
Marginal-competition isn’t counting in the world’s economy ( PieFed.social, Lemmy.World, etc, do NOT compete against Reddit at the economics-scale, & the “journalism” of the world is helping to enforce non-competition, too. )
Our gov’ts have gone full-in backing that rigging of our world: no alternative, in their policy’s eyes.
Ideally, some not-for-profits would begin competing against machiavellianism, & would begin simultaneously competing against the machiavellian infrastructure, but they’d have to do it against ALL the required-infrastructure, all the big-platforms…
What establishment would tolerate that?
_ /\ _
Why do-you like-hyphens so-much?
Its a form of short hand in text stylization to emphasize words.
Think of it as when someone quickly bites off a word to drive a point.
Much like have someone would CAPITALIZE a word to over emphasize something as if raising one’s voice.
Or italicize or put to help over enunciate a word as if to speak it slowly and with pressure on every syllable.
Short hand verbal text communication is literally the body language of text communication. Hell it’s become so common place that many modern fiction novels now use it.
And just like any other language there’s even dialectics to it. So while it can be somewhat confusing to wander into a different community online and see different symbols and formats being used they are almost instantly understandable if you understand whats happening.
Sorry, that’s got nothing to do with it:
Thoughtshapes are themselves, & some are more “atomic”, & others are more “molecular”, & others are merely-associating.
I have to fight the urge to use “=” as double-hyphen, to indicate more-atomic, & “-” to indicate still-atomic-just-less, to try to communicate what thoughtshapes I’m meaning, & how their forms work/are.
Translating from thoughtshapes to English … is clumsy-as-hell, breaks many meanings, & prevents entire categories of meaning from being expressible.
I’ve been told by multilingual-people that what I’m describing exactly matches their frustration with getting meanings from 1 language into another.
White psychology holds that there are only 3 innate-mind-languages: VAK…
but there are 4, at-least:
Each of those is mind-blind to things that the other kinds can see.
Temple Grandin did a TED Talk on exactly that, but didn’t mention the abstract-shape cognizers, iirc.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=temple+grandin+ted
She COULDN’T have put the Fukushima-reactor emergency-generators at the bottom of pits, beside the ocean, because she would have SEEN that the tsunami that hit the building, which those generators were supposed to provide power after, would have drowned the things.
Obviously, non-visual-cognizers made that decision, mind-blind to the consequences, obliterating the usefulness of them.
From what I’ve been able to discover, abstract-shape cognizers are common only in physics.
There aren’t many ( I’ve met 2 others, that I’m certain of: I asked them, because their thinking was so different from the VAK types ), & it seems to be the only place where such kind-of-mind has significant … either advantage, or familiarity, not certain which.
So, TL;DR is:
using hyphens in trying to communicate which thoughtshapes are more-atomic, vs which are merely-associating, using the clumsiness of English’s words & grammar/syntax/punctuation,
so you people can get the actual feel for the intended thoughtshapes, themselves.
( instead of the English-bound approximations of them )
_ /\ _
Its like hand claps.
I keep telling people that AI will atrophy their brain the same way that tools like Google Maps did. We can’t navigate for shit now unless a piece of software tells us the route. The same thing is going to happen, but to really important judgment and thinking skills.
some of us were born without navigation, just as some of us were born with arithmetic-defect, or dyslexia, or face-blindness, or whatever.
We are locked-out without such help.
There is a balance between using help you actually-need, vs indulging-in-having-one’s-capability-displaced-by-help.
THAT is the thing that is making AI into the lethal-recreational-drug that it’s turning into.
People using it to substitute for reality, instead of using it for brainstorming & intelligently-condensing, or for editing-critique, etc.
If I ever get my not-for-profit started-up ( health problems come 1st ), then at this point I expect to have to fire about 19/20 of the people I hire, just because “if YOU sign-off on it, then YOU wrote it” … just “does not compute”, anymore, in this fake-fake-fake everything world.
When I found out that some people have a defect in their language-brain such that they CANNOT get spelling to work in English ( because their spelling is always auditory, & English is engineered to make that not-work ) … & then I found out that dyslexia is MUCH worse in English than it is in Italian, same root-problem … then I began understanding that English is engineered to lock-out many people, & I’d been blind to that…
just providing alternative-context, is all.
It’s the same as the “in the old days, the tough survived, & that was the right way” … yeah, except that accepting such a stupidly-high needless-death-rate to produce those few “successes” … was sociopathic, by today’s standards.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=fpas&q=1800's+playground&ia=images&iax=images
shows why broken-necks were so common in playgrounds, back in the early-photography days…
Nowadays children are DRASTICALLY more-likely to reach adulthood, & I think that’s a good thing … so the “weeding out” isn’t quite so heavy-handed, now.
All disabilities, though, can be rigged into a weeding-out.
The shorter-lifespan of left-handed people ( enforced stress ) is but 1 example of systemic-bias’s effects…
& I’m saying that over-relying on AI will, itself, produce a reduction-in-viability.
The “easy money: getting without giving” culture’s narcissism … isn’t going anywhere!
_ /\ _
I’ve restored my navigation skills by playing through the Dark Souls trilogy. No map, no objective markers, just you and the slightly janky third person camera.
Damn, you just clicked for me why I have a pretty good sense of direction. I’ve occasionally impressed myself and others for years, with “do you not know how we got here?” or “well we came from that direction” in spite of a generally terrible memory and a passionate dislike of geography and learning street names, etc.
But you’re absolutely right, it’s video games: puzzle dungeons, huge open worlds, metroidvanias, I even prefer playing with the UI and maps off whenever possible, and somehow I’ve never made this connection before. Incredible.
As someone with nearly 500 hours into Elden Ring, this tracks lol.
This worked for me too but I still have trouble navigating landmarks that aren’t flaming wolfmen nailed to a cross, or colossal castles by the sea guarded by a dragon skeleton
I stopped using navigation for the most part. Mind you, I grew up using maps but it only took a couple months for my navigation skills to cone back.
2023 is when I first got a vehicle with a nav display, and that definitely dulled the more detailed navigation senses.
Cardinal directions still solid but the take a left on Y after X street info I had been cataloging in the back of my mind fell off quickly once I started turn by turn directions all the time.