The line Joe Biden used to put into nearly every big speech — “I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future” — is a long way from what he says in private now.The line Joe Biden used to put into nearly every big speech — “I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future” — is a long way from what he says in private now.
These days, multiple people who’ve spoken to him over the last year say, Biden often punctuates conversations with: “You think we can actually come back from this?”
The 83-year-old Biden continues to feel out a post-presidency that may prove to be one of the shortest in history and is already one of the most complicated.
There are days when Biden is heartbroken, indignant or in disbelief about what is happening as President Donald Trump — the man he defeated in 2020 — returned and moved not just to tear down his accomplishments, but to dig in with petty insults like the autopen photograph he put in Biden’s spot in the “Presidential Walk of Fame” installed at the White House.
If ONLY he had been president and could’ve DONE something about Trump! Like arrest him for that coup attempt against… Whomever was elected… Or ANYTHING!
Maybe he just needed a nudge in the right direction, like a Supreme Court ruling that presidents were invulnerable.
Former President Biden’s biggest mistake, allowing the MAGA fucknuts to maneuver unhindered toward the current fucked-up mess.
It wasn’t him running for a second term when his cognitive decline had been bad enough to say he finally beat Medicare?
I see a lot of BoTh SiDeS sAmE doom posting but I’m pretty sure Biden didnt cause trump to be a pedophile.
Anyone with half a brain could see the project 2025 was coming. There was enough to declare an emergency and to have everyone put on trial for conspiracy to overthrow the government. You guys just want to act like falling over and playing dead is the only thing the “opposition” party can do.
You want to bring up some bullshit about how the laws prevented them from moving quickly or something? Throw those interfering in the investigation in jail and nullify their congressional voting rights.
But no, you’re right, both sides are totally different, I’m just the crazy one for thinking we could have something better.
Biden still didn’t cause anyone to decide a pedophile is the only option.
You can’t change my mind on this.
Ever.
You are correct, but thats not what I’m arguing. So why didn’t the biden administration act? Why didn’t the DoJ do more with the mountains, hell Galaxy’s worth of incriminating evidence they had? Why not jail every single Congress person who had obstructed? Why turn a blind eye to Jan 6?
Wake up. They arrested jan 6 insurrectionists under Biden
It’s Trump who pardoned them once he got back into power.
Either way It’s just sheer false equivalency to ever say any of this had anything to do with why voters choose a pedophile and why other potential voters stepped aside and let them. These assholes need to be held accountable for their actions to facilitate this to happen. So you can’t blame Biden for that.
Why trump remained unjailed should be a separate discussion to the sheer callousness of voters voting for a pedophile
These are two entirely different discussions and merging then only disqualifies a deep problem that should be addressed on its own.
This is my problem with this being merged as one problem. It overlooks way too much of what happened here.
Funny how you don’t even mention the Epstein files. You want red pedofiles or blue ones?
None of them. Biden wasn’t in the files. And i don’t give fuck if à dem was in them arrest them too. Stop destructing the point and stop this strawperson bullshit. Almost had respect enough to think you were here for a point. Now I can see you’re an insane waste of time.
I don’t think he made people decide a pedophiles is the only option. I think he and the rest of the establishment democrats failed to give the people who didn’t want the pedophile something to vote for. Yes, people had plenty of reasons to vote against trump, but they didn’t have many reasons to vote for Biden or Harris. The reality is that giving people a reason to vote for you is what actually gets them out to the polls
Not voting someone isn’t a reason to vote for à fucking pedo. Never a good enough reason to vote à pedo. This is a shit argument by shit people for shit people.
This is AI Slop.
From CNN or the summary in the post?
Both
Fuck you Joe, you slow walked us into this by not prosecuting Trump in the name of “bipartisanship!” If you had done your job we might not be in this mess. Democrats are weak and feckless.
And supporting genocide and AIPAC
Yup, anyone who doesn’t know what AIPAC is doesn’t understand this has been building up for decades.
I guess he forgot his FIFTY YEARS in politics and has NOW decided things have gone too far.
No, Joe, we can’t come back from 50 years of people like you and worse, you HACK
Yeah, this. A half century of playing power games at the expense of the people. Not just him, but all the dems as they’ve slid further right. Too many of them content to play power games at the expense of the country, letting us argue over pronouns, bathrooms, and crosswalks while they quietly take a knee and kiss the ring for their corporate benefactors. Utter failure to shore up protections against trump even after it was painfully obvious that people like him were going to get elected.
Yeah, Joe did do some decent things, same as Obama, but both of them were the failed barriers that allowed the Right to be the fascists they are now, particularly by letting McConnel and the republicans to prevent nominations to the Supreme Court, essentially capturing the judicial branch and taking trump’s leash off.
Woah now, he just recognizes blacks as thugs and young people as a useful economic battery for the wealthy and actively put rules and laws into place to help fill prisons and debt with his select groups.
That was all in good clean capitalism, this is unholy capitalism, cause what if he isn’t well liked and the US doesnt make more money for his friends anymore?
His previous stuff just affected other people! What if he has to experience it personally?! Havent you thought of him?
He should shut the fuck up. That fucking hump is responsible for this.
When he took over, he immediately launched a Covid Vaccine program and an Economic Stimulus program that were both far more successful than predicted. For that, he could have landed in the top 10-15 of presidents.
But he had to do a decent job for the rest of his presidency, which mainly included dealing with MAGA as the National Security Threat they are. He had just seen Trump launch an Insurrection. That would have been enough for him to step off the podium after being sworn in, and say “Round them ALL up, and ship them to Guantanamo for interrogation. We’ll sort them out there.”
If he’d done that, we would have found out about the False Electors Plot, AND his Stolen Classified Documents Operation. That’s THREE separate cases of sedition and treason, and more than enough for him to get the noose.
Rounding them up would have suppressed the Conservative Propaganda Machine, and allowed the Dems to better control the messaging going into the 2024 election.
Instead, Biden basically checked out of the job after announcing his Covid and Stimulus programs, and stupidly appointed the most feckless Republican to be his AG, perhaps the STUPIDEST Democratic Presidential decision in modern history, who dithered and slow-walked Trump’s treason cases as long as he could, giving him a two year head start to run out the clock, which he did, successfully.
In addition, he ignored the many warnings, many coming from the mouths of the criminals themselves, that they intended to rig the election and steal the presidency, and Biden allowed them to do it in front of the entire world, without any interference at all. And when they did, he went along with the ridiculous concept that Trump won the election “fair & square.”
The American voters fired MAGA decisively, and expected the new Democratic administration to clean up the mess. Instead of getting justice for America, they tried to make friends with feral animals, and got eaten alive. For his weakness and cowardice, allowing MAGA to rise again, Biden’s legacy is in the toilet, and will he will be buried in the bottom 10 of all presidents.
Biden betrayed us, and he’s lucky that he won’t be joining the MAGAs against the wall with the rest of them. He deserves the firing squad as much as any of them.
Usually when I read your replies, I’m in agreement with some of it and disagreement with some. This is the first time in recent memory I agree 100%, and will add:
He did what he was paid to do.
I’m Canadian and you got me all fired up with your comment. I agree wholeheartedly.
This is an all-time great comment
couldn’t have said it better myself
But THE PARLIAMENTARIAN said no!
…tear down his accomplishments, but to dig in with petty insults like the autopen photograph he put in Biden’s spot in the “Presidential Walk of Fame” installed at the White House.
Yeah cuz those are the important things to be concerned with.
Joe Biden and the Democratic Party leadership are part-and-parcel to this. The downfall of Iran has been continuous American policy for over 40 years, and the party has acts as a honeypot to capture and neutralize progressive policies and politicians, and stop the Overthrow Window from moving leftward. No more opposition to war, no more economic populism, no more social safety net. All they do is run “block tackle” for neoconservatives. The uniparty could not be more obvious right now.
“No. And it’s all your fault.”
“We tried nothing, and that didn’t work. I think we might be screwed here.” - Old school Corporate Democrats.
Yeah, we can come back from this, one way or another. The fact that he can’t figure out a way, is why he was a terrible president.
One way was to fire MAGA, and elect an experienced Democrat to be president and get justice for America. Which we did. And then he went on to do literally NOTHING to stop them from rising again.
Come back to what? From absolute trash human beings to pretending not to be absolute trash human beings.
Don’t be that guy. Whatever is happening under Trump is something new. Predictable, maybe, but new and uniquely terrifying in modern times.
*Edit: New in American history. Please stop replying to tell me this is an age old issue that has plagued civilization since the dawn of time. When Biden implies that we (the US) can’t come back from this, he is obviously talking about the loss of whatever is left of American democracy and the descent into authoritarian dictatorship/oligarchy. Americans have never seen anything like it except as bystanders.
Is it? Biden was actively helping run a genocide. Are we all just pretending those deaths didnt happen and Biden didnt play any role in them at all? I will not. Biden was an absolute dogshit president. Compared to Trump he was great, but he absolutely belongs behind bars, same as trump does.
Why are you pretending like Biden isn’t talking specifically about the collapse of whatever is left of American democracy into outright dictatorship? Hungary, North Korea, Russia… whatever you think about America, the crony capitalism of the last 40 - 50 years is nothing compared to Russian oligarchy. In all of American history, nothing even close has existed. And since the beginning of post-war American hegemony, these systems of democratic oppression have always existed “over there”. For the very first time, the full dictator experience is coming to America. It’s entirely, undeniably new.
I tend to agree with the former president. There is no coming back from this.
Name a president who wasn’t dog shit? America was always picking fights with people to push their agenda.
Carter and Kennedy didnt violate American laws. Biden violated the Leahy act and many other anti genocide laws and acted cute about it by claiming they didnt acknolwedge that what was going on was a genocide.
Funny enough it isn’t.
There is a concept in imperialism that eventually after running out of room to expand the threat of violence and demand turns inward towards its own people and then when that fails too they lash out violently towards anything they deem as a resource they should own.
Its actually extremely common throughout history and means also this has not felt new to people that that have been in the sights of the outward facing arm of it for decades now. So it might feel unique to you and you may claimit to be because years have passed and we have new technology to wage these fights with… But its shockingly more of the same just getting spread around more to more people to shelter the controlling classes more, as usual.
Its not new, this has happened over and over again.
Come back to what, exactly?
People abroad trusting America perhaps? America seems like it’s really destroyed its reputation lately. Or could be referring to the decay of rule of law with ICE and the like, will the public ever trust the government again?
I know what Biden means, I’m saying that there is nothing worth going “back” to. People didn’t trust the USA, the wealthy understood they could secure their power by cooperating with it and using its capacity for violence; that’s how colonialism functions.
The answer is no.
Then why didnt he do more to prevent it?
He wanted to have his genocide and give Israel everything he could, and as soon as he was gone Bibi shit on him and said he did very little. Fuck Biden.
I wonder how Kamala feels about throwing the election rather than making a stand against genocide.
/we pretty much know what’s in the DNC’s report about their failed campaign
I hope it haunts her until the day she dies.
I doubt that she has learned anything. She is shamelessly floating the idea of running again in 2028.
Yes it’s definitely Biden’s fault that Americans gave the republicans the house, senate and presidency.
Democrats could have met the moment and parroted popular leftist policies like taxing the billionaires, ending the Palestinian genocide, installing universal healthcare, etc.
Instead they dug themselves a hole with idpol and chasing the Right
Dude sat on the Trump/Epstein files for 4 years and did nothing about it because it would have hurt the donor class and Israel.
Trump won on a (false) pledge to release the files.
Who deserves the blame for this situation in your mind?
Four years when it was still sealed by the courts because it was still an ongoing investigation?
Also, you really don’t know how the government is supposed to work if you think the president even should have had a hand in the day-to-day operations of the DOJ…
HE WAS AN INSURECTIONIST, WAS BIDEN NOT AWARE BECAUSE IT WAS SEALED INFORMATION?
COPE HARDER.
I never said he wasn’t aware. It would have been a breach of procedure to make documents pertaining to an ongoing case public. Such a breach of procedure can actually allow criminals to walk free.
It would have been idiotic and unprofessional to release documents pertaining to an ongoing investigation.
Also, the insurrection case was being put together, it just needed more time. Jack Smith did all he could in the two years he was given, but the Supreme Court decided to punt their decision on whether to allow the case to go through.
There’s literally nothing more that Biden could have personally done in that regard, and if you think there was then you don’t understand the role of the president, nor do you understand the dangers of forcing or even allowing a president to claim prosecutorial powers.
Both of them
You’re correct but apparently this thread is only for hyperbole. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
Dude sat on the Trump/Epstein files for 4 years and did nothing
This just in: investigations take longer in real life than on TV. Investigations of people with lots of lawyers take even more time and - stay with me - strategy.
Just because you didn’t see something happening, doesn’t mean it’s not happening. That’s like Object Permanence.
They have testimonies going back decades if they had wanted to look into it they would have by now
Fucker tried to overthrow the government. If you can’t convict someone for that and prevent him from running again in 4 years that’s a serious failure to your duties as president. If the court system can’t handle it then maybe he should have used his presidential immunity the fucking supreme court ruled to get rid of the threat.
Edit: also if biden wouldn’t have hopped on taking momentum away from Bernie in the primaries, it probably would have been Trump vs Bernie. And I believe Bernie would have won 2 terms. I think biden did decent as president, but allowing an insurrectionist to run again was a huge error.
There is NO excuse for allowing Trump and his henchmen to roam free after Biden’s inauguration. He would have been well within his presidential, constitutional, and legal duties to round them all up and detain them in Guantanamo for extensive interrogation.
Trump had attempted a violent Insurrection only a couple of weeks before. What kind of a NEW national leader takes over, and doesn’t do ANYTHING about a serious, active National Security Threat running actively destroying their nation?
Easily the worst case of negligence and incompetence by a Democratic president since WWII.
Presidents don’t have prosecutorial power. Are you fucking stupid?
You’re right, thats the DOJ. Now who appoints the head of the DOJ? That’s right, it’s the fucking president. So it was entirely in his power to appoint someone that would do his fucking job.
But sure, I guess I’m just stupid.
Cause presidents can see the future and know who will or won’t betray their oaths of office ahead of time?
You’re telling me 4 years was too short a time to build a case against an insurrectionist pedophile who was referenced more than any other individual in the files?
And your chastising me for object permanence? L O fucking L
Or the case put together by Mueller during Trump’s presidency! Where the only impediment to going to trial was that Trump was currently president.
These people will talk about slow and steady justice until the statute of limitations expires and then praise the prosecution for being cautious. If this was the best our justice system could do, we don’t have one.
Justice delayed is justice denied. Many girls and now women in the Epstein files can attest to that.
SCOTUS gave the presidency unilateral powers for official acts. Biden could have easily threw the bad Supremes into the slammer, release the PDFiles, have Tulsi shot for being a Russian agent, and more.
Abusive, yes. But at least it would force all the bullshit into the light.
I guess letting Trump run out the clock on justice was the voters fault too, then, eh? Even when Biden was literally handed a way to prevent Trump from running on a silver platter by the Supreme Court that basically ruled that anything a President does is part of Presidential Duties. He and the entire apparatus around him including twerps like Merrick Garland has so many fucking options to stop this. The courts, the department of justice, the President, all of them had taken an oath to protect democracy and that oath doesn’t disappear because the voters are stupid. They all bend over like grass under a push-me-pull-you lawnmower going “oh for fucks sake” and deciding that fighting corruption was too hard and too risky for themselves personally. People whined about judges getting death threats and that’s why they were hesitant to play hardball… Are you fucking kidding me? Like they thought that would protect them or anyone else? Now fascism is boldly kicking the fucking doors in and those people and their families are in more danger than they were back then, except now the whole country is in just as much danger. They bent over because their pussy asses thought they could and should save themselves instead of fight fascism and asshats are all like “it’s the voters fault!” when Trump legally shouldn’t have been allowed to run for the Presidency at all for a litany of reasons and nobody with any real power did anything to stop it! Sure, it’s our fault, not a system that allowed it to happen, fuck me, give me a break! The people in charge abdicated their responsibility to justice and then said it’s the voters fault, get the fuck out of here.
Stop rewriting history. In a country where laws actually meant something and mattered he would have been in prison for 34 felonies and not allowed to run due to being an insurrectionist and guilty of treason for stealing and selling state secrets. How the living fuck is that the voters fault? The system failed the voters before the voters failed the system.
here’s something that still fucking rankles me:
think about all the billions of dollars, year after year, we put into the NSA, CIA, DIA, FBI, and so many other intel orgs - and what good did it do when a treasonous pedophile came knocking?
What’s the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
What’s the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
To shape a global racial hierarchy and make sure socialism doesn’t get too far
Those organizations exist to enrich and protect the elite. We need to erase them from existence, and start over with new services that don’t have any personnel from the old ones. If nothing else, starting fresh would allow us to instill good character and priorities into our intelligence services.
What’s the fucking point of it all if this is the outcome?
So that some people who grew up watching movies about spies get to be spies.
Exactly, what the fuck are we even paying taxes for if not to protect us from this kind of shit???
To protect the real rulers, who are the billionaires and multinational corporate entities, duh!
If the voters and non-voters hadn’t voted him back in the wheels of justice would probably kept turning slowly as they do.
Do you want to establish the precedence of a president demanding the DOJ arrest their opposition?
Because I’m not sure that’s a great idea.
So publish the files? Biden could have done that easily.
Well, it sure seems to have worked without taking so long that the assholes who already broke the laws came back into power like in South Korea and Brazil. Those systems didn’t go “whoopsies we ran out of time, I guess they can take power again!”
A system that allows this to happen and places the blame on the voters instead of fighting for a better world is a system that was always going to end up this way.
A system that can just have the clock run out on justice is always going to be gamed like this, stop lying to yourself.
To be fair the voters and non-voters have a large share of the responsibility for this situation that’s how a democracy works.
Every one of your comments is beyond ridiculous. I think you’re just here to troll.
Do you not think that voters and non-voters have a large role in how a democracy plays out?
Yes and we voted in people to represent us by upholding the law and following their oaths to office and they failed at representing our interests, upholding the law, and following their oaths miserably.
We voted in Trump and his gang with majorities in the house and senate.
You are so fucking ignorant if you think the wheels of justice were slowly turning.
Merrick Fucking Garland was a poor choice in the first place, a sop to ‘the other side’ and he performed exactly as expected.
Bernie Sanders would have won against Trump all three races, if we just had to have an old white guy.
Biden was earnest, but he did not, and does not have the balls required in these modern times
Can we come back from this?
What a joke. Biden himself had the opportunity and the authority to start that process, and his entire administration farted around for three full years.
He sure didn’t do anything to inspire citizens to vote for Democrats. In fact, he supported a genocide that every moral American was appalled by.
Actually, I do blame him for overestimating his health, and thinking he had enough in the tank for another run. He clearly did not.
Would Harris have still been the nominee had there been an actual primary? Maybe, maybe not. But whoever won that would have been a better candidate.
I was extremely pissed off after watching that debate. The man I saw that night simply didn’t have it anymore, and it was more than just jetlag or a cold. There was nobody close to Biden who could have sat down with him before the election and told him directly that he didn’t have it anymore?
We talk about how Trump surrounds himself with yes-men and sycophants. I think Biden didn’t do much better.
His health was plain as day before he was elected, but liberals kept insisting it was only a stutter. They buried their heads in the sand so they could be the oppressors of the working class again.
Although somehow, Trump being just as mentally incompetent, wasn’t an issue. He may be a couple years younger but he is in no objectively measured way more competent. The GOP could run a sewer rat and leftists would still complain that the human Democrat was more of a problem. No, Biden, there isn’t a way back. America is hooped.
We were not the ones that chose to overlook his mental decline, the fact his campaign was tanking, and his racist past. That wound of Biden was self inflicted. There was a candidate that several leftists compromised with, but not having the balls to do what’s right, liberals selected the candidate that the party chose for them
He still speaks better than Trump. He is more cognitively in tact and shows better judgement as well. Always has.
He still speaks better than Trump. He is more cognitively in tact and shows better judgement as well.
No. He doesnt. You can stop lying about how feeble Biden is. Trump may be flatly and criminally insane but he can talk/ramble like a two year old. Biden cant. Thats just a simple fact, and your denying reality about Biden still highlights a huge problem on both sides. There just is no objective reality anymore. People like yourself want to claim self serving bullshit is real. We need to bring truth back.
Nope.
People that support trump think the same about him. You are blinded by the D in front of his name
I couldn’t give a fuck about party
Listen, fat . . . I . . .aww. C’mon Man.
Biden was one of the best presidents in my lifetime and he would have been for a second run too.
Being a white male he probably could have pulled off the win again too.
I will never get sick of centrists thinking they are saying something moderate they think people can agree on getting ratio’d by the reality they are very, very alone in their beliefs.
Getting ratio’d on this site by people who don’t put up candidates, organize parties or hardly even vote doesn’t mean much.
Democrats are by far either the most popular or the second most popular party in the states in every single modern election.
Democrats and liberals are not alone in our beliefs.
We did! We had Claudia De La Cruz and the DNC SUED TO KEEP HER OFF THE BALLOT IN SWING STATES AND WON‼️
I usually agree with you over the non-voting leftists here, but I have to say I agree with them that Biden clearly wasn’t fit for another election, and his selfish decision to run again may be largely responsible for Trump’s second term.
Getting ratio’d on this site by people who don’t put up candidates, organize parties or hardly even vote doesn’t mean much.
Actually, you are fucking with a very engaged crowd that is by and large far more politically educated and engaged than you are, which is why you are getting ratio’d with pushback.
I’ve had more pushback before plus I’ve seen what makes the leftists cheer so I’m not exactly looking for their approval just trying to get them to open their eyes a bit.
Not after that debate. If he had stayed in, all Trump would have had to do was play clips from it.
I do think that he was a very good President. His entire legacy is tarnished by holding on too long. If this is it for America, historians will write volumes on how Fascist America was enabled by people like him (and RBG) holding on to power past their “best by” dates.
And let’s cross our fingers on Sotomayor.
Trump sounds the exact same but he won so I don’t think you’re right.
Trumps voters like that he sounds like a common man, aka stupid. Democrats want to vote for someone smart and capable.
Both Biden and RBG trashed their legacies by failing to step aside
100% a troll.
Nah, just the resident blue MAGA, spinning the same yarn as always.
Aka a troll
Nah, trolls do it to get a rise out of people, they’re aware they’re being ridiculous. This one 100% actually believes this shit.
Uhh, I guess that really depends on how old you are? If you’re a millenial you’ve only seen 5-6 presidents and half of them are Republicans. So the “best of” list is really just like 2-3 people.
He would have only won if his staff could successfully manage a Weekend at Bernie’s campaign. And even then, that doesn’t make him the best or right choice.
Trump is not Biden’s fault but Biden failed to act to prevent another Trump presidency by not aggressively prosecuting the J6 coup.
Bro. It took Biden until October '24 to even realize that half of america lives pay check to pay check and is struggling to buy fucking food and housing.
Biden was not a good president. he just wasn’t as bad as some of the others, and that’s an incredibly low bar.
Also, good presidents lock up pedophiles.
one of the reasons Kamala had such a hard time was that she wasn’t coming in on a fresh campaign, but rather trying to clean up and fix the mess Biden handed her. (there’s other reasons like not distancing herself from biden on certain issues, too. And racism. racism and mysogeny probably didn’t help, but that was surmountable.)
You’ll notice all these comments are basically a criticism for Biden not being the superhero they wish for…
None speak to anything the admin did or what actually happened during his four years vs the four prior or after…
MERRICK GARLAND
GAZA
LOUD NOISES!
I LOVE LAMP!
Plenty of things to criticize but this mindless bullshit misses the forest for the trees…
Oh I’m sorry, I thought your complaint was that no one was criticizing anything under his control that happened during his time in office. But it seems like you were just jerking off and now want to make an entirely different argument.
I’m interpreting the way you’re saying it as being a sarcastic joke but him being the POTUS made him the de facto leader of the Democratic party, who in turn failed to influence the majority of Americans to vote for them. It’s been coming out recently that the party’s own investigation into their 2024 loss revealed that the policy around Gaza played a significant role in their defeat, policy that self-proclaimed zionist President Biden had the power to influence and ultimately supported.
So yeah… It kinda is his fault.
So. like. the too-long-didn’t-care is treating responsibility for things like it’s zero sum game is stupid. Absolutely… incomprehensibly stupid.
Biden is absolutely repsonsible for having not done everything in his power as POTUS to put trump in jail.
and lets not forget… for the first half of Biden’s presidency, he had both the house and the senate- not by supermajority levels, no. but they had control and they pissed it away with compromise.
And if you’re going to give Biden credit for the Build Back Better bill and the other one… which I’m sure you do… then Biden can also take credit for that. (especially the decision to not pack the courts, or break the filibuster.)
His arrogant hubris and the DNC not forcing him out gave us Trump, again.
He’s not blameless
Finally, you get it.
Yes it’s definitely not the people who voted for Trump or that decided not to vote at all.
It was your party
Two things can be true.
People shouldn’t have abstained from voting to protest the DNC’s position on a genocide that is still happening under Trump (a guy who wants to turn Gaza into a resort town once the Palestinians have been exterminated) alongside everything else he’s doing domestically as well as the trade and diplomatic clusterfucks. They let perfection be the enemy of progress and that was clearly a mistake.
But Biden also should have released the Epstein files, he should’ve stepped down as a one term president and allowed a primary to decide the next candidate, the DNC and Biden/Harris campaigns should’ve ran much stronger campaigns rather than assume “we’re not Trump” would do enough of the work for them. They did nothing to rally the base and motivate people to go vote.
There’s plenty of blame to go around. It’s no one group or individuals fault.
If a persons red line wasn’t genocide they don’t deserve support, they deserve to lose
they deserve to lose
Frankly, they deserve a trial at the Hague
Maybe Lisa’s right about America being the land of opportunity, and maybe Adil has a point about the machinery of capitalism being oiled with the blood of the workers.
You gave them the option between genocide and genocide. We told you that this would lose the election for the Democrats. You got the outcome you advocated for.
God that argument is so disengenuous. It basically comes to “cater to us a vocal minority or we won’t play.”
You leftists scream about the genocide but what exactly did you accomish? Smugness? Superiority? I haven’t heard a single leftist give a shit about South Sudan or Myanmar. Leftists are quiet when it comes to Ukraine. But you’re incredibly loud about Gaza… you know, the crater where a people used to live because the crap candidate didn’t capitulate to your demands.
Well now everything is fucked, the US has zero creditability, our allies hate us, ICE is officially the Gestapo, and concentration camps are being built.
But hey. Continue the tired ass line about “well we should have had a candidate who was against the genocide.”
Fun fact. Historically, when fascists take control, the first ones they try to stamp out is leftists.
But at least you can sleep at night now knowing that because you didn’t vote for genocide, you now allowed one to be completed with impunity.
Well done tankies.
Edit: Joe Biden was a fucking pussy who didn’t do what needed to be done.
If this was any normal election, then I would have supported the protest voters.
The problem was that it wasn’t. Trump is trying to ethnically cleanse Latinos out of America. I knew this was going to happen and I wanted to avoid it.
Immigrants were pleading with protest voters during the election. There are Latinos who protested with them from the beginning that have now gone into hiding. I talked to an immigrant that was begging leftists to care, and they accused them of being for genocide just for wanting their family to survive.
It’s not that I hate leftism. But a lot of leftists are unsafe for POC and women. They are privileged enough to prioritize ideals over safety. I only trust leftists that are intersectional, not those who champion some mythical homogeneous global working class.
This guy gets it. And I’m still waiting for a leftist to acknowledge South Sudan.
For being a minority we seem to hold all the power
Schrödinger’s anti-genocide vote. Simultaneously able to have determined the outcome of an entire election, but also not important enough of a coalition to address their concerns and bring them (back) into the tent.
Glad you think a slide into fascism is a joke.
You’re heads in the sand thinking this is a minority extremist position. The people advocating for this saw where the winds were blowing and your ego still can’t acknowledge it.
I’m sure they appreciate the change in sympathies from the world.
Oh wait.
You leftists scream about the genocide but what exactly did you accomish?
What did you reactionary centrists accomplish? You handed us Trump. We gave you the path to winning and you chose not to take it. Its on you.
Well now everything is fucked, the US has zero creditability, our allies hate us, ICE is officially the Gestapo, and concentration camps are being built.
Yeah, your fucking fault dude.
But hey. Continue the tired ass line about “well we should have had a candidate who was against the genocide.”
You couldn’t win the election otherwise. Did you actually want to win the election or not? Because it follows that if you defended the candidate while they held an unelectable policy position, you were doing the work to get Trump elected.
Leftists rarely show up anyways. But hey. Continue to shift the blame. Whining and doing nothing is what you do best.
Its interesting how “we told you this would lose” equates to "you will lose because you alienate leftists.
The reality is voter apathy and a majority of the population choosing not to vote because they see no difference between the outcome regardless of who wins.
Democrats will do the same shit to appease Their donor bosses, they just feel a little bit of shame about the means they think justify those ends. Thats why youll never hear libs talking about somthing like abolishing ice, only better training them so they have less collateral damage.
The people who don’t see a difference are fucking morons. Biden never invaded any US cities.
Genocides are horrible things that should never happen but too many people are using the word as critical-thought terminating cliches.
It’s like trying to talk to an anti-abortionist and the only thing they can do is call you a baby killer.
You have to decide if you wanted to win the election or not, and its never been clear to me that you ever actually wanted to win. What its always appeared to be, is that you wanted to mantain ideological control of the party (which you did do, and have continued to: the party is still pro-genocide).
But what is clear, is that the party could not win with the general election with a Democratic candidate supporting a genocide.
How many house and senate democrats support Israel and how many don’t?
Here it is. Not pretending that this is about anything beyond your ability to claim the high ground. How has that worked out for Gaza?
Tankies cry about Gaza but don’t give a shit about Ukraine, South Sudan, or Myanmar. That lack of discussion there not only undermines their creditability, but it makes them look as antisemitic as MAGA.
Take a breather mate, you have lost the plot completely.
Single issue voters are one of the biggest problems with US politics. They’re willing to ignore everything else about reality. Doesn’t matter if it’s Genocide, LGBTQ issues, or Abortion, it’s the same outcome.
The worst option overall becomes the most likely.
You don’t control the electorate. You don’t have to like the way people are to recognize that they are in-fact that way. Stop confusing how you want the world to be with how the world is.
Candidates can either address the issues of those single issue voters or they lose the election.
Crickets regarding South Sudan and Ukraine…
We told you that this would…
Who’s “we”?
gestures vaguely at all the independent media coverage from 2023-2024
So you didn’t vote for Harris and you’re part of the Independent media?
The USA is a democracy; every one of us is responsible individually for what we do with our votes.
You, I infer, decided that the best thing to do with your vote was endorse the rapist who promised to do absolutely nothing to stop the genocide in Gaza over the candidate who at the least would have protested.
Which sure as fuck was your right, but it’s kinda weird that you’re trying to argue that this isn’t exactly what you voted for.
In a single-ballot plurality-wins-all election anything but a vote for the runner up is an endorsement of the eventual winner.
But the system we vote for isn’t responsible for enforcing laws like… *checks notes… putting 34 time felons in prison, preventing insurrectionists for running for office, and letting people who commit treason of stealing and selling state secrets to the highest bidder run for office? It’s all our fault huh? The system didn’t fail us first, huh?
You’re trying to place blame on an individual instead of a party that encourages policies that creates voter disenfranchisement.
Why is critical analysis attacked?
This is what I hear when people blame the voters: “Instead of one candidate changing their stance, millions of voters should instead change their stances!”
You’re trying to place blame on an individual instead of a party that encourages policies that creates voter disenfranchisement.
No. I’m recognizing the actual system we have pointing out that anti-genocide non-voters made a deliberate choice.
This isn’t a disenfeanchisement issue so much as it is a disengagement problem. There citizens had the sane franchise as everyone else, and chose not to go vote against a rapist.
There’s plenty of blame to slap on the Democratic party from the former president and candidate all the way down. But Biden not standing by his purported morals and Harris not breaking with him when he didnt compel non-voters not to cast a vote. They’re adults and citizens and should either stand by their choice and argure that it was correct or else concede that they made a mistake and would change it if they could
Then why didnt he do
moreanything to prevent it?ftfy.
Why hasn’t anyone in your country done anything to prevent it?
He did more to stop trump than literally anyone else in the country. He even put his own ego out of the way when it became clear that he didn’t have enough support to win the election. He couldn’t have done anything more.
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So eloquent
I’ll argue that Thomas Crooks made more concrete actions against Trump, but go off…
Are you suggesting that a sitting president should have had his main political opponent assassinated during an election year? Because it sounds like that’s what you’re suggesting, and if so, fuck off back to moscow cause we don’t want that shit here.
Nope, just speaking in terms of absolutes. Crooks, as an American citizen, took as much of a concrete action to remove the man as could be made and paid as high a price as could be paid.
Biden may have given all he thought himself able, but that’s neither here nor there.
The supreme court gave him absolute immunity and didnt protect the constitution. Keep on cucking bootlicker
Go fuck yourself. At least he believed in a better system enough not to stoop to the level of his opponent.
Yeah that is called being a coward
It’s called following the law and not setting a dangerous precedent.
Oh, well ill remind you that Merrick garland, appointed by Biden, did absolutely jack shit despite there being sufficient evidence. The administration was a failure and the only reason we had him and others forced upon us was because of cucks like you.
Oh fuck off. Merrick Garland sucked, but you can hardly blame Biden for that when all he did was appoint him and then he was hands-off with the DOJ affairs as any president should be.
How was he supposed to know ahead of time that the man Obama nominated for the Supreme Court, who was stalled indefinitely by a Republican House majority, would slow-walk the most important case in 21st century US history?
Appointing Jack Smith as Special Counsel was the right move, but Smith didn’t have enough time to bring the case to fruition with the Supreme Court putting it on hold until after the election.
the only reason we had him and others forced upon us was because of cucks like you.
Oh fuck off. It was either him or trump in 2020. Lemme guess, you were one of the ones chanting “stop the steal” and storming the capital on J6?
Lotta people who don’t want a king wanted the last guy to be one.
Dont know one person who thought like that
