So for fucks sake pick the one that’s slower at it so you have more time to do something about it. It’s not like voting locks you out of any other actions.
Well, there’s this thing called voting literacy, and the thing is, if your voting literacy is poor, you can say things you don’t intend to say. So yes, you did say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”. And it’s your responsibility to learn enough mathematics to be able to say what you mean. I’m not gonna treat you like a baby and find the intended meaning in what you say, you have to grow up and say what you mean.
So implausible, it seems you’re just trolling. Or maybe have crossed wires, replying to the wrong thing? … Or maybe have some psyop programs running that you truly believe what you say, with your perception perverted by some kind of groupthink and the false dichotomy fallacies the programming produces? Or maybe narcissistic deflecting and blame shifting and trying to save face rather than entertain an idea and concede the logic and learn from it? Or… maybe you’re on to something sound that you’ve just yet to effectively convey? But then, even if that’s so, we’re back to projecting, with the peculiarly expressed accusation of failing to communicate effectively (~ with mathematics?). And the condescending gaslighting hypocrisy doesn’t help your case much either.
If you can quote the relevant parts, I’m happy to hear out your explanation that refutes my claim I did not say that. Especially if you can do it without the inflamed ego toxicity. LOL.
That makes the plausibility of projecting even more curious.
Also [that and the blog post posted 2 weeks before I said the thing] does not explain, nor refute, only further lending to my suspicions, like maybe something got misunderstood about some/all of what I said in:
Or, vote for something other than going to the bad place?
Someone offers you two pills, you don’t have to take either. You can make your own, and seek other options.
to make it mean
I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference
that you’ve twice reasserted
So yes, you did say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”.
you’re saying you don’t have a preference
means I’m saying I don’t have a preference, without yet having demonstrated why… which is delightfully ironic from how that blog post starts…
Wernicke’s Aphasia (pronounced ver-nick-ees) is a neurological disorder involving damage to the part of the brain that comprehends the meanings of words. Patients with Wernicke’s Aphasia communicate with perfect rhythm, pronunciation, and fluency, except that words in their speech don’t mean what the patient thinks they mean. If you haven’t heard of it before, you should absolutely look up a video of a person with this disorder talking, it’s very interesting.
I bring up Wernicke’s Aphasia in the context of voting because I’m trying to come up with a good metaphor for what I mean, here. This idea of a person who miscommunicates in a way that is invisible to themself, but which utterly garbles their meaning. Maybe a better metaphor is those white people who get Chinese tattoos that don’t mean what they think they mean, but I can’t think of a quippy way to reference that. But the idea of losing something in translation is very much what I’d like to talk to you about today.
and from my suspicions from
Well, there’s this thing called voting literacy, and the thing is, if your voting literacy is poor, you can say things you don’t intend to say. So yes, you did say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”. And it’s your responsibility to learn enough mathematics to be able to say what you mean. I’m not gonna treat you like a baby and find the intended meaning in what you say, you have to grow up and say what you mean.
and the context of no explanation offered to hold to account.
But I remain hopeful a clear simple (not time wasting) explanation can be given for such a simple thing that can be explained, rather than condescending self aggrandising hot air red-herring wild goose chase.
How is
Or, vote for something other than going to the bad place?
Someone offers you two pills, you don’t have to take either. You can make your own, and seek other options.
interpreted as saying
I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference
?
… Frankly a question made all the more needed to be re-asked since the blog post’s broadly making the same point I’m making with that statement, my comment in question is not falling foul of it, and certainly not saying "I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”; all the more looking like it was not understood, and the reluctance to offer coherent illustration of how that’s been interpreted so, further lends to the suspicion of psychologically projecting, and succumbing to the psychology and philosophical communication fail mentioned in the piece about “voting aphasia” in that projection.
You’ve been advocating for not voting for the Republicans or the Democrats, which according to the mathematics of FPTP, is saying you have no preference and you’re an apolitical, regardless of your intentions.
I think voting Democrat would have prevented kids being blown up in Iran, and it would have prevented ICE from having as many employees throwing immigrants in concentration camps, and I think it would have prevented the genocide of trans people that’s going to start next year. And don’t call Me an idiot, please.
It’s no use asking these people to do any kind of direct action. They think abstaining once every four years will bring an end to capitalism. They’ll never attend a protest or vote in a primary, much less pick up a gun for the revolution.
Whatever you think needs to be done; absolutely anything ranging from peaceful protest to violent uprising. What exactly are you arguing, that it’s best to sit back and take it? That it’s better to put you face in the mouth of the leopard eating you rather than your arm so that at least you have a chance of fighting back? Even if one is an accelerationist (a profoundly naive position in my opinion, but that’s another discussion) willfully not voting is the intellectually cowardly option, justifying inaction rather than sticking to your ideals and actively voting for the option you believe will accelerate the most. The point is that voting is not a mutually exclusive action to take like so many people on Lemmy seem to act like it is.
Its not about not voting. For a start, there’s dozens of things to vote on than just one. Its about being shamed into voting for a bad option and not giving into that pressure tactic, and changing the narrative to making better choices
The ones who are going to do more are already doing more, and both-sidesing the ones who aren’t is just going to make them do even less. Just let them help with slowing the descent down a bit, that’s the most they’re going to do anyway. It buys time for the ones who are doing something to do something.
I hate this take, because it ignores the reality that this isn’t Europe and that you can’t even get sick in this country without health insurance with risking homelessness, let alone any massive coordinated action.
Like around here they’re always posting pictures of protests and you look at the people at the protests and it’s all retirees and college kids. Why? Because everyone else is at fucking work because if they’re not at work they miss a mortgage/rent payment and end up living in their car. The majority of US states have at will employment laws meaning they can and will fire you with no notice or even need to provide justification beyond the performative “this termination not due to you being a member of a legally protected class”.
Wage slaves are still slaves, and telling people today that their inaction means they’re complicit is no different then going back in time 200 years and telling the slaves on the plantations that they’re just as responsible for their bondage as the people that put them in chains. Fuck that nonsense.
So for fucks sake pick the one that’s slower at it so you have more time to do something about it. It’s not like voting locks you out of any other actions.
Or, vote for something other than going to the bad place?
Someone offers you two pills, you don’t have to take either. You can make your own, and seek other options.
Yeah, but if you say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”, then when kids get blown up in Iran it becomes your fault.
Yeah. Don’t say that. Who’s advocating for that? Did you think I was advocating for that??
Well, there’s this thing called voting literacy, and the thing is, if your voting literacy is poor, you can say things you don’t intend to say. So yes, you did say “I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”. And it’s your responsibility to learn enough mathematics to be able to say what you mean. I’m not gonna treat you like a baby and find the intended meaning in what you say, you have to grow up and say what you mean.
Slanderous misrepresentation. Did not say that.
So implausible, it seems you’re just trolling. Or maybe have crossed wires, replying to the wrong thing? … Or maybe have some psyop programs running that you truly believe what you say, with your perception perverted by some kind of groupthink and the false dichotomy fallacies the programming produces? Or maybe narcissistic deflecting and blame shifting and trying to save face rather than entertain an idea and concede the logic and learn from it? Or… maybe you’re on to something sound that you’ve just yet to effectively convey? But then, even if that’s so, we’re back to projecting, with the peculiarly expressed accusation of failing to communicate effectively (~ with mathematics?). And the condescending gaslighting hypocrisy doesn’t help your case much either.
If you can quote the relevant parts, I’m happy to hear out your explanation that refutes my claim I did not say that. Especially if you can do it without the inflamed ego toxicity. LOL.
I’ve explained how and why you’re saying you don’t have a preference on My blog.
That makes the plausibility of projecting even more curious.
Also [that and the blog post posted 2 weeks before I said the thing] does not explain, nor refute, only further lending to my suspicions, like maybe something got misunderstood about some/all of what I said in:
to make it mean
that you’ve twice reasserted
means I’m saying I don’t have a preference, without yet having demonstrated why… which is delightfully ironic from how that blog post starts…
and from my suspicions from
and the context of no explanation offered to hold to account.
But I remain hopeful a clear simple (not time wasting) explanation can be given for such a simple thing that can be explained, rather than condescending self aggrandising hot air red-herring wild goose chase.
How is
interpreted as saying
?
… Frankly a question made all the more needed to be re-asked since the blog post’s broadly making the same point I’m making with that statement, my comment in question is not falling foul of it, and certainly not saying "I don’t care, I have absolutely no preference”; all the more looking like it was not understood, and the reluctance to offer coherent illustration of how that’s been interpreted so, further lends to the suspicion of psychologically projecting, and succumbing to the psychology and philosophical communication fail mentioned in the piece about “voting aphasia” in that projection.
You’ve been advocating for not voting for the Republicans or the Democrats, which according to the mathematics of FPTP, is saying you have no preference and you’re an apolitical, regardless of your intentions.
If you think voting Democrat would have prevented kids being blown up in Iran, you’re the fucking idiot here.
I think voting Democrat would have prevented kids being blown up in Iran, and it would have prevented ICE from having as many employees throwing immigrants in concentration camps, and I think it would have prevented the genocide of trans people that’s going to start next year. And don’t call Me an idiot, please.
Then there is no hope for you because you are deluded
There’s no need to weaponise therapy speak.
It’s no use asking these people to do any kind of direct action. They think abstaining once every four years will bring an end to capitalism. They’ll never attend a protest or vote in a primary, much less pick up a gun for the revolution.
Do what about it exactly?
How the fuck does voting for slow burn help?
Whatever you think needs to be done; absolutely anything ranging from peaceful protest to violent uprising. What exactly are you arguing, that it’s best to sit back and take it? That it’s better to put you face in the mouth of the leopard eating you rather than your arm so that at least you have a chance of fighting back? Even if one is an accelerationist (a profoundly naive position in my opinion, but that’s another discussion) willfully not voting is the intellectually cowardly option, justifying inaction rather than sticking to your ideals and actively voting for the option you believe will accelerate the most. The point is that voting is not a mutually exclusive action to take like so many people on Lemmy seem to act like it is.
Its not about not voting. For a start, there’s dozens of things to vote on than just one. Its about being shamed into voting for a bad option and not giving into that pressure tactic, and changing the narrative to making better choices
But Americans aren’t doing anything about it except voting.
The ones who are going to do more are already doing more, and both-sidesing the ones who aren’t is just going to make them do even less. Just let them help with slowing the descent down a bit, that’s the most they’re going to do anyway. It buys time for the ones who are doing something to do something.
Or maybe the accelerationists are right, make the nail rusty enough, fast enough, get the frog realising it has to jump out or it’ll be boiled.
… if that’s not too much metaphor mixing.
Solution space may be elsewhere.
Maybe the accelerationists are right, but then maybe they aren’t and that’s a whole lot of suffering and collateral damage for nothing.
YUP!
I hate this take, because it ignores the reality that this isn’t Europe and that you can’t even get sick in this country without health insurance with risking homelessness, let alone any massive coordinated action.
Like around here they’re always posting pictures of protests and you look at the people at the protests and it’s all retirees and college kids. Why? Because everyone else is at fucking work because if they’re not at work they miss a mortgage/rent payment and end up living in their car. The majority of US states have at will employment laws meaning they can and will fire you with no notice or even need to provide justification beyond the performative “this termination not due to you being a member of a legally protected class”.
Wage slaves are still slaves, and telling people today that their inaction means they’re complicit is no different then going back in time 200 years and telling the slaves on the plantations that they’re just as responsible for their bondage as the people that put them in chains. Fuck that nonsense.