nobody ever wanted to work, we work to make our lives better.
almost no gen Z have any investment in the concept of work for the sake of work that some older generations seem to venerate
maybe its because older generations feel like the society they live in is something they want to “give back” to, but for me, this society fucking sucks and every day i wish the crude oil price would go higher and higher so this sucker finally crashes and burns
Or, rather, “to exploit the poor even harder than we already do”
“Nobody wants to work anymore…” is always an incomplete sentence. “for these wages”, “under these conditions”, “for little gain”, etc.
No, they don’t, and shouldn’t have put up with it this long.
Nobody wants to be paid minimum wage standing on their feet for 8 straight hours with a 5 minute break while a bunch of over-entitled Karens yell at them because an expired coupon won’t work.
“But at least you have a job!”
My mom says this shit all the time. “Just be glad you have a job” is like excusing being in an abusive relationship because being single sucks
This is something the lockdowns taught people. That not having a job isn’t actually worse than the shit jobs they were forced to do.
Followed by the implicit “… and I should be exempt from this, I need a $200k wage with $1 million hourly bonuses.”
Labour rights and duties apply to everyone. Be a member of a trade union!
They put up with that condition because there’s no alternative at the time. Until gig work like uber and food delivery came along, which people realise paid more than those other dead end job does, so they flock to these jobs. Now the dead end job that pay minimum wages aren’t competitive enough, and can’t hire anyone, hence the saying.
Not saying gig work is good in the long run, but to people who have literally no other choice, it’s a godsend, a chance to earn more for the effort and time they put in.
You’re right. “All experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.” People deal with shit while they can, rather than changing.
But the phrase mentioned is an old one used against people who finally had enough for whatever reason, and always leaves off why they’ve had enough, and what gave them enough motive to change to something else. One could say that the increase of “nobody wants to work anymore” is a signal of a new wave of quiet rebellion.
The lesson is that people shouldn’t have to settle for things because they don’t have a choice. In anything. Work, relationships, health, food.
Declaration of Independence mentioned.
Also, from Shakespeare: “The undiscovered country from whose bourne | no traveler returns puzzles the will | and makes us rather bear those ills we have | than fly to others that we know not of. | Thus conscience does make cowards of us all.”
By the way,
The lesson is that people shouldn’t have to settle for things because they don’t have a choice. In anything. Work, relationships, health, food.
The original liberalist philosophers argued that if one is constrained by lack of available choice, then they are not truly free at all, and that true liberty requires equality for this reason.
That’s why I say neoliberalism isn’t even liberalism. Maybe call it pseudo-liberalism. In any case, it’s a conservative economic policy. True liberalism is a humanist political philosophy.
People who don’t know anything about it look at me like I’m crazy whenever I say that. “Hurr durr, ‘liberal’ is in the name.” You know when fascists and tankies agree on hating something, then it must be doing something right.
Also, when tankies curse “liberals,” they’re talking specifically about neoliberals, so it’s really a misnomer. Funny enough, when fascists curse “liberals,” they’re talking about Marxist-Leninists (who obviously are not liberals either).
So it’s like actual liberals are caught between these two extremist camps, and both sides view them as the other side because they can’t see through this false dichotomy and anti-nuance campist polarization. So obviously to tankies, liberals must be fascists; and to fascists, liberals must be commies.
And liberals are just like, “We’re neither. You’re both assholes.”
Thanks for that on the label “liberal”. I grew up thinking of myself as a Gen-X liberal, and somewhere along the line missed it changing meaning. So for the longest time I’d hear it referred to negatively and by certain groups, and was so confused. I hate labels. I prefer to discuss ideas to understand the true meaning, and the online culture has slowly killed that form of communication.
Yeah, nuance isn’t allowed these days. It’s all buzzwords, kneejerk reactions, manufactured outrage, faux pas, social scripts, campism, conformity, purity tests, and dick-measuring contests. On both sides of the political spectrum.
Pretty sure this was deliberate on the part of Russian cyber influence ops.
Work is exactly the place where I discovered that I don’t want to work anymore.
Lots of people say that they want to work, but then, when they accumulate enough money to retire, not only do they stop working, but they throw a fucking party to celebrate the fact that they’re not working anymore.
So anyways, if you throw a party when you stop doing something, and nobody asks, “Why are they throwing this party? It’s nonsensical,” then it’s all a big lie and everybody secretly knows it. They just don’t want to say it and stand out from their group.
Once people retire they often create their own work to do. And often the people who do stuff like volunteer live longer than people who don’t.
People like doing work, but they don’t like being exploited.
And often the people who do stuff like volunteer live longer than people who don’t.
This is a correlation, which may not truly imply causation.
For example, I think it’s pretty well-established that sedentary people don’t live as long as people who are active. But if a person is a sedentary type, they’ll probably make different post-retirement choices than an active type of person. So, when you look at the studies that make conclusions based on volunteering, the results may appear to show a difference, but they might only show the same difference we already know about sedentary vs. active types of people.
Ditto for church attendance leading to longevity, but only because unhealthy people can’t make it in.
That said, I think the research on leading e a life with purpose and social connections as having better outcomes is fairly robust. Plenty of seniors kill themselves within a few years of retirement.
This is just my experience. I enjoy that the effort I have to give goes to doing something I find rewarding on a self-actualizing level. I live in a capitalist system, I have to make money to live in it. But the pay is secondary as long as I can meet my basic needs. It’s be cool if I could self-actualize in other areas of my life/desires without having to sacrifice that to take a “pay-cut” to do a job I love, and I’ll keep fighting for that, but this is the point in history I’m living. We realize the system prioritizes the idea that more time/effort investment now pays out in income early, then you can spend your waiting years doing whatever you want. It doesn’t acknowledge that no one knows if they’ll live long enough to get there, or what the economy will be if/when you do. I might live to 100, I might die tomorrow. I could try and find a job that would earn enough tomorrow to finance the idea I spend the last 40yrs of my life living without having to “work”. But I’d rather spend my days doing what I enjoy doing covering my basic needs until the day I die, whenever that comes, than both resenting what I’m doing and only doing it in the hope someday I never had to do it and lived carefree, knowing I could easily die without ever self-actualizing. Live the reality you want to live while making due with the reality you’re forced to endure, but don’t live shit for one that might never come no matter how hard you sacrifice your now for.
The value of money and the future aren’t real, only the time you have moment to moment are; use it the best you can and hopefully your choices result in actual reward.
The sentiment that people don’t want to work anymore is correct, but not for the reasons they’re saying.
Nobody wants to do to the work of developing and mentoring entry-level hires. Hence entry-level positions requiring 5 years of experience in a technology that’s only existed for 3.
Nobody wants to do the work of making a productive work environment, instead saddling one person with the responsibility of three. And not paying them appropriately.
Nobody wants to do the work of making a product people actually want to use before aggressively monetizing it.
Nobody wants to do the work of researching a technology before milking it for every penny. See: AI.
I could go on.
Very well said!
All they’re asking is to work at or below the amount they’ve lobbied to let them pay you legally, which at the federal level hasn’t increased a cent since 2009.
Just a matter of showing up to a job without being able to get medical care because the industry is twisted to not address and deny care if you’re lucky enough to pay exorbitant rates for “healthcare”.
Simply show up for that job in a car that you can in no way afford with gas that you can’t afford after eating a breakfast you can’t afford.
Also, for many who do want to enjoy this exploration and are working the Trump government is making it more difficult for them to stay and work by announcing last week more than one million workers will need to leave the US first if they want to stay and work permanently. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgrpz4l1klgo
Plebs are so lazy
