Idk how it could. Haven’t tons of companies been announcing layoffs for like tens of thousands of workers for a few years now?

What a joke 😅

Yeah, I couldn’t believe the ridiculous narrative either. After the reading the article though, it at least makes some sense for me as a Mexican-American dude. It’s mainly white people doing better and I guess that totally tracks (also helps explains why so many people here are ready to believe it). I honestly sometimes forget to remind myself “American” hardly ever means all Americans

That said, it’s wild how little discussion there is on this here and how any mention of frustration with the accepted narrative results in others thinking you’re just a bitter idiot, or something

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Yeah, idk. They’ll show the important scenes. Just not entirely or anything. lol

I was mostly joking but it’s def an option. It works if you just want the jist of the story and don’t really care about the acting or basically anything else

Have you tried watching movie recaps on youtube? It’s the other extreme but i find it good enough for movies I’ll never see. There’s lots of movies I’ve seen there I’m glad I didn’t watch for a full hour. Most movies have tons of similar tropes you can easily understand in like a 15 min sentence

So now the best time to take that Euro trip?

Seriously though, just went to Italy, France and Netherlands and it was incredibly how cheap and easy it was to fly between different countries. Definitely want to go back for Germany

My memory is fuzzy, didn’t they just make Mr Garrison the coolest he’d ever been before, at least from like the average white American guy’s point of view? Were they ever actually being critical?

I assumed they were trying to play both sides since most trump fans wouldn’t be able to tell it was satire, similar to Colbert’s old show, and they could just say it’s not their fault if their “message” was missed by most people that watched it.

Dude, I didn’t say most of what you’re assuming I said. It’s weird what you’re doing. We’re not convincing each other of anything. The idea is to try and understand each other. I’m not going to engage with the original convo anymore because it’s not fruitful. Now, I’m more interested in the poor/lack of communication going on.

I mean, you wrote a whole lot in response to my saying “you’re not understanding me” with a defensive rant about how you are actually understanding me, I just can’t tell or am lying to you. I’ll say it once more. You’re not understanding me or what I’m trying to convey. I’ll accept my part in failing to communicate but it takes two… to u know not assume an entire thesis about what the other is sayinf

I personally would never criticize people doing what you’re doing (not voting/voting third party). I disagree with it, but do your thing. I tend to criticize the Dems so it’s wild you think I was saying Biden shouldn’t drop out. You’re saying legit silly things and it only makes sense to you and maybe people that already agree with you. I mean, you didn’t even answer the one question I asked, about what happens after the election, and you now you’ve jumped to thinking I’m against everything you stand for or something. That’s wild bro!

This is what frustrates me most. I disagreed with one thing you said, and you went nuclear like I’m basically your number one enemy. It’s like you’d prefer to be all alone and/or have less allies.

I honestly care a bit less about politics since realizing most of us can’t even have a very basic, low-stakes conversation about what each person thinks. I mean, if we don’t truly understand what the other is saying what’s the point?

Fair enough. We’re talking past each other at this point and I don’t really feel like repeating myself.

I disagree with the movement’s strategy, and lack thereof, and I disagree with your entire first paragraph. There is absolutely a lot to lose and it’s beyond frustrating and disrespectful for someone like you to say there isn’t. I’d implore you to think about even just one negative outcome that could occur because of your movement’s lack of consideration for their fellow citizens.

That said, I’d bet decent money you’re not a Muslim-American, that could be banned from visiting their family in a foreign country, or a Mexican-American that might be at risk of being deported/their family being deported, etc. My guess is you’ll be just fine no matter what happens and you don’t really care about the people that could suffer most due to your reactionary political goals.

Sorry, that didn’t answer my main question at all.

I understand what the movements goals are. I’m not interested in discussing the strategy.

My thinking goes like this, say the movement is a major success. And she tries to call your bluff (again lack of a better phrase here) and the movement true to its word and values succeed in being the deciding vote, let’s say. What are the possible results? There’s likely more than two but the obvious groups are either she loses or she wins. My question is then what?

She either won without the movement kinda giving them a political w and proving their power all while demoralizing folks that get invested. Or, she loses and the movement is blamed and scapegoated as the sole reason she lost and whole lot else.

I’m wondering about what folks in this movement think will happen after the election. Are we ready for the worst-caae scenario?

I’ll be honest and say I don’t understand her reasoning and it baffles me

But regardless, so she didn’t do that. Balls back in our court. Help me understand. What’s the next play? I see people saying they won’t vote for her. I and most people here can totally respect that, but it clearly seems naive and shortsighted to a lot of others at best (no disrespect to the movement), and a legit threat to all the things we’re supposedly aligned on, at worst

The movement seems to be messaging, “do the right thing on this issue or else we won’t vote for you.” But, she’s basically “calling the bluff”. She thinks it’s all smoke or insignificant. Well, will people actually stay home? If not, what are they doing but looking weak and hypocritical? If yes, then what are they planning on doing next if she loses?

I think we have to at least agree that these issues/actions divide us. And that means it weakens us. That means many of us are willingly weakening the movements they claim to support, or allowing our movements to be weakened. There are many ongoing movements and instead of building bridges we’re actively silo’ing ourselves and engaging in antagonist behavior towards each other. Let me know if that’s an unfair characterization - of course, I have the recent division with black folks in mind.

To me, this is the part I struggle with the most, the seemingly sanctimonious disregard for meaningful, tangible change over support for say, real progressive legislation that gives power back to the people instead of corporations and the rich (but I see how this is my number one issue and it clearly isnt for others).

All that said, you certainly won’t ever catch me shouting down genocide protesters or making fun of them. I think it’s noble as fuck. And that shit was one of the tackiest thing I’ve ever seen liberal voters do

Sorry, that got long 😁 this is all so frustrating

Does it matter?

Keep up the pressure, y’all! Shit’s working

Dude, conservatives are literally burning banning books everywhere in the country where they have power. They’ve even banned books meant to encourage girls to learn how to code. Real bananas stuff, imo

I appreciate you’re trying to communicate well and you seem authentic and all, but it’s very difficult to take your position seriously when it feels like you’re not trying to challenge your own beliefs. There’s a ton of evidence of conservative censorship going as far back as McCarthyism and interment camps, to rock and roll and rap music, to even burning comic books in the 50s, and that’s just thinking of the US. There’s a very long history of white conservative Christians censoring almost everything popular going back like hundreds of years

As a personal anecdote, my cousin had to break his pokemon gameboy games and burn his pokemon cards because his dipshit mom abusive mother thought they were satanic, simply because her church said so. I got some cool, holographic cards out of it, but I never forgot how messed up that was

Isn’t that explicitly why we manufacture so many of our things there? Isn’t that where most iPhones are still made? What’s the difference here?

Idk, even Nancy Pelosi didn’t accept Biden’s words. So, it’s wild, to me, that an informed citizen would simply accept things the way they’re told they are. Maybe this isn’t about “sources” and more about pundits and narrative-makers/builders - the ones that decide who is “electable”. Not everyone accepted the narrative that Biden wouldn’t step down. Some even had the narrative that he must step down and apparently they were “right” - for lack of a better word (sorry for any poor communication)

That said, you’ve clearly made up your mind and you don’t really seem interested in entertaining this idea, so we really don’t have to keep going

That’s actually totally fair. Maybe that was my mistake, which I appreciate you pointing out! I should’ve made it clear I’m in the very process of doing this myself

I’m trying to understand why I was hesitant about Biden dropping out even when my guy told me we were beyond fucked. Why was AOC hesitant? (I think it makes sense for her, tbh) Why did her insta story just before sway my opinion so much? Who were the people saying this could work and that it would turn out as well as it has? What were theie reasons? Etc.

I’m honestly not sure of all the answers or questions but I personally wouldn’t trust anyone that was saying what has happened was impossible. It very clearly was possible. What else is possible?

Idk, I asked someone else in this thread that and they had a great answer. They mentioned how the way we predict elections has changed since 2016 (or something) and I thought that was super interesting and worth reflecting on. If I answered your question right now it might be something simple like age or someone with a better understanding of history might mention how the current level of wealth inequality compares to previous moments in history

That said, I’m not sure why this similar comment was seen as more offensive. This is literally something I try to do myself when someone I trust is wrong about something. I might not cancel em or whatever but I’ll try to understand what went wrong or maybe just stop listening to them about certain topics they’re consistently wrong on

I respectfully disagree. Y’all are clearly very defensive about this and that’s not going to result in a fruitful discussion, so carry on and don’t even think about reflecting on your sources

What in the projection?