Idk, if it wasn’t religion it’d be something else. Religion is a great tool to control populations, but it’s just one of many. Most human conflicts have a materialistic basis to them and things like religion or nationality are just used as window dressing.

I’d say the most destructive force on the planet is usually just rich/powerful dudes beefing over turf.

Lol, right?

My dad was in the Air Force so we moved all over the place, but whenever we were stationed in the South in the 90’s I would often be the first Asian person to ever go to that school.

Doesn’t really mean a whole bunch if the “normal levels” of empathy are inadequate to create a humane society.

Most of the disposable e-cigarettes tested released markedly higher amounts of metals and metalloids into vapors than earlier, refillable vapes.

Yeah, seems to be an issue with a lack of commercial regulation than with the inherent technology itself. I am usually skeptical of any study toting cigarettes as the “safer” option, however this kinda keeps in pace with our society’s rapid devolution back to industrial age regulatory standards.

Industry’s regulatory and judicial capture seems to rear it ugly head once again at the expense of the public’s health.

I don’t know why people assume that the siren systems local governments install aren’t the affordable option…

What do you think is cheaper and provides the most safety…a single siren loud enough to cover a very wide area, or the state reimbursing hundreds of people to buy inadequately installed and tested sirens all over the place?

I can guarantee that if you had everyone install their own systems a significant portion would not be installed correctly, and another significant portion wouldn’t have the needed maintenance performed to maintain reliability.

I guess people don’t understand the innate cost effectiveness of consolidation at scale?

You literally are advocating for ethnic cleansing, in this comment chain. You just think that because it’s Good Ethnic Cleansing™, that makes it okay.

Lol, I haven’t… You’re just being disingenuous as always. Or your mental illness is warping your perception. If you read the first comment I made I said it wasn’t my belief but I understand why Palestinians would want Israelis to migrate back to Europe. You know considering that they are currently colonizing Palestine via genocide.

You haven’t once asked about my personal opinion, you’ve just been asserting what you want my opinion to be because you’d rather argue with your preferred strawman.

FYI- if it were up to me I would prefer there to be no genocide, and for the Israeli government to give back the illegally seized land back to the original agreed upon borders. However, I recognize that it’s not my people who are suffering from apartheid and genocide, and that those people have their own autonomy and will seek their own retribution.

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Lol, what a fantastic rebuttal…

There is a difference between nationality and ethnicity. Otherwise every war in history would be considered an ethnic cleansing, which is just not true.

It’s not genocide if I say the magic words before doing it!"

“It’s a genocide because I declared it so”. Fucking moron.

That is the comment which started the conversation and which I replied to, it is literally about individuals

“Is Israel paying for people to immigrate to Israel with the purpose of expanding the Israeli state not an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?”

This is the question you responded to …Why can’t you argue in any sort of good faith? Is it against your principles or something?

Yes, yes, the sacred words of your religion absolve you for doing the exact same thing as the Zionists.

Religion? Are you mentally well? I thought you were just being an asshole with the ad hominems and your general beligerence, but im beginning to think you might be bipolar or something.

sounds like a regional misunderstanding which you unintentionally misconstrued.

Maybe it’s a regional thing…but I don’t think I’m the only one who interpreted it that way.

But yeah, there are plenty of decent people in the South, I wouldn’t argue against that. I would argue it’s a smaller minority than in some of the other places I’ve lived though.

The discussion was about the question of expelling Israeli immigrants for the crime of being immigrants, so no, those immigrants were not engaging in ethnic cleansing.

The question wasn’t about the individuals…it was about the state, as it has been the whole time. And you have the gall to talk about literacy and a especially integrity considering your entire argument is based on malicious interpretation.

^Please, tell me more about how ethnic cleansing isn’t genocide if it’s done to Bad Ethnicity™.

Already sent you an article about the delineation between decolonization and ethnic cleansing… And how that claim is often used by people who support apartheid and colonialism.

Christ. Imagine thinking you’re an enemy of Israel while eagerly swallowing literal Israeli propaganda meant to conflate the Israeli state with those it claims to represent, and then using that to advocate genocide and come off as a lunatic antisemite. And then being proud of what a catspaw you are for Mossad. Crazy what people will do and claim as a victory.

Israel is an ethno-state…it is the inherent flaw of ethno-states, there is no propaganda needed. Which is why ethno-states are bad.

Again, you are the only person claiming anyone wants to genocide Israel.

No, that’s literally the position that I’m criticizing, genius.

I don’t think you understand what an ethno-state is…

they defined ‘tribal lands’ as ‘all of America’?Uh, yes.

American is not an ethnicity…

defending colonialism because… I don’t believe genocide is the solution?

Again… Decolonization is not genocide. That is an argument made pretty much solely by colonialist. You’re basically regurgitating Elon musk.

Have fun wearing a swastika armband at Israel’s behest. Those of us who aren’t useful idiots and literal genocide supporters have more moral things to do, like not imitating Zionists and Nazis.

Lol, you’ve been defending Zionist the whole time… Please tell me, when Israel occupies Gaza and Palestinian ask them to leave…is that going to be ethnic cleansing? Or is it only ethnic cleansing if they occupy it for a generation?

Strawman, reread the entire post bud.

I think that’s a pedantic dispute considering you’ve made rebuttals against people claiming that good people were out numbered. Plus, what does “full of” even mean when it comes to judging the general morality of southern people? I think the generalization of the south being full of good people reads quite a bit differently than there are some good people in the South.

objectively true, yes from my own experience and yes minorities)

Generalities cannot be objectively true… Implying that something is full of good people implies a majority, as in a glass fullof milk, is not also full of water.

Decolonization is when you ethnically cleanse civilians for being born the wrong ethnicity. It’s DEFINITELY different from genocide!"

Lol, you are ridiculously hyperbolic and purposely conflating terms to the point where they don’t mean anything.

Once again you are ignoring the fact that Israel is the one who is dictating policy based on ethnicity. Meaning that it is they who makes it impossible to delineate the ethno from the state.

Would it be better if people just said Israeli nationals? Would it be ethnic cleansing if someone claimed Americans should be kicked out of tribal lands?

Literal Nazi shit. If you were raised in Israel, you’d be an enthusiastic Zionist murdering Palestinians right now.

Projecting much? You’re the one defending colonialism…

literally call Israel’s actions genocide several times in this very thread.

“People immigrating to Israel, in majority Jewish Israeli areas, where the Israeli state is recognized as having jurisdiction by international law and consensus, is not fucking ethnic cleansing, no.”

So a state is paying people to immigrate, and that state is also paying for the colonization of a neighboring state and forcibly moving the ethnic population…but since it’s not the same people it’s not ethnic cleansing?

Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you for demonstrating my point, Mirror Hasbara.

Lol, you don’t have a fucking point other than conflating decolonization with genocide.

With the victory of the current administration, you are applying a description of unequivocally the entire nation and relagating it only to those of the lowest income, those closest to historical slavery, and those with the fewest educational opportunities.

As another person who works in a hospital of one of the poorest and most conservative states in the union…I don’t think you really know what you are talking about.

First of all, there is no such thing as a basic definition of what makes up good people and bad people. You can be good to your family and your neighbors and be incredibly racist, bigoted, or just unempathetic towards anyone else outside your daily life.

What I notice about the South the most is the inability to be compassionate to anyone who isn’t right in front of them.

think if you engage more thoughtfully with historical realities you might begin to come to a different understanding.

Historical realities can negatively shape culture… What about the Souths history leads you to believe that most of southerners are “good people” and how exactly do you quantify good?

No offense, but do you live in the South? And if so…are you a person of color or another minority, because if not you may not be getting the full experience.

He likes to equate decolonization to genocide, to him they are the same thing.

Holy fucking shit, how is it that you are incapable of conceiving any way of punishing a government that isn’t “Ethnic cleansing” or “Genocide via murder”?!

Funny that your definition of ethnic cleansing is dependent on who’s doing it. Removing an occupying force…ethnic cleansing. Israel occupying Gaza…not an ethnic cleansing. Interesting.

Oh, of course, that completely explains why Israelis have to be ethnically cleansed, thank you for informing me on the moral and practical necessity of genocide when it’s against Bad Ethnicity.

“People immigrating to Israel, in majority Jewish Israeli areas, where the Israeli state is recognized as having jurisdiction by international law and consensus, is not fucking ethnic cleansing, no.”

Is what I responded too…your hysterics are not an argument.

People are just being critical of an ethnostate when they advocate for ethnic cleansing and genocide!"

Lol, who is calling for a genocide of Israelis? Your definition of ethnic cleansing is also not on solid ground. Deporting the colonizing forces of a hostile state who is actively doing a genocide isn’t exactly an "ethnic cleansing ".

You’re sitting here, not just ‘criticizing’ the horrific policies of the Israeli state, but outright advocating for the ethnic cleansing of Israel of Israeli Jews, and you have the gall to claim it’s “not racism, it’s criticizing a government built on racism”?

Again…with the hyperbole. Plus I never even advocated the removal of Jews from Israel. I said I can understand why Palestinians would want that.

You do realize that the entire ethnic cleansing of Germans after WW2 is a massive atrocity that occurred and a subject of intense study by historians and sociologists, right?

Again… You are conflating nationality with ethnicity…which is why ethno-states are wrong. Russians didn’t kill Germans because of their ethnicity, they killed Germans because the German nation did so many war crimes during their invasion.

no, what am I saying? Ethnic cleansing is a good and wholesome response for the crimes of a country. That’s why Nazi Germany was justified in ethnically cleansing Alsace-Lorraine! Oh, fuck, wait, no, that’s bad. That’s why Israel was justified in ethnically cleansing Palestinians! No, wait, that’s bad too. Oh, wait, I have it! That’s why Palestine would be justified in ethnically cleansing Israel! There! GOOD ethnic cleansing to go against all that BAD ethnic cleansing!

You’re conflating ethnic cleansing with genocide… And you are utilizing a very dubious definition of ethnic cleansing to begin with.

Israel is committing genocide, therefore, it’s okay to genocide Israelis!"

Oh yeah…because Palestinians wanting Israelis to immigrate back to Europe is the same as a genocide.

Again, I don’t really think you are acknowledging the fact that an apartheid ethno-state is genociding a people who used to own the land that ethno-state is founded upon.

Is really that hard to understand why a Palestinian would want Israelis to go away?

By the way, labeling decolonization as genocide is an age old tactic of those who benefit from colonialism

… yes.

So there’s no retribution against Israel that’s not antisemitism? I mean expulsion is probably better than the alternative? What do you believe should be the response? Or do we just let a genocide continue without any consequence?

People immigrating to Israel, in majority Jewish Israeli areas, where the Israeli state is recognized as having jurisdiction by international law and consensus, is not fucking ethnic cleansing, no.

Lol, they are occupying Gaza right now… Just because the immigrants aren’t the ones moving into the Lebensraum doesn’t mean that it isn’t the states goal to expand the population to the point where they demand more living space.

“It’s not racism if they were racist first.”

My dude… My point is that people are critical of an ethno-state, which inherently creates policy based on serving that ethnicity at the expense of others. If you criticize that policy it’s not racism, it’s criticizing a government built on racism.

Is it racist against Germans to say they shouldn’t have invaded Poland, Or to kick out Germans who immigrated to Austria after they invaded? You aren’t really accounting that these are responses to a nation currently coming genocide, not just people hating an ethnicity for no particular reason.

This is the innate issue with creating an ethno-state, it makes it difficult to delineate grievances between ethnicity and state. I don’t know what the solution is, but I find it understandable that some people would agree with expulsion.

Is it really ethnic cleansing when the ethno-state they built continues to genocide their neighbors with the approval of the vast majority of its citizens?

Is Israel paying for people to immigrate to Israel with the purpose of expanding the Israeli state not an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

I don’t think you can really say these beliefs are born out of antisemitism, not when the Israeli state purposely engages in ethnic superiority based policy.

i always assumed they were around much longer than that! /s

Not even a joke, but orthodox Judaism is an invention of modern times, and ultra orthodox Judaism didn’t come about until the early 1900’s and was popularized until after WW2.

Orthodox Judaism is only a couple hundred years let alone a couple thousand. It’s a modern practice and it’s ultra orthodox subsect is barely older than scientology.