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This is great suff and I agree for the most part.

I have not been occupying right spaces online. Don’t have the time / energy. And I don’t really put in the effort to try to change anyone’s mind Online because people are change resistant online.

But

I do argue politely IRL for things that would help. Better infrastructure, trains, good jobs, love everyone, let people do what they want as long as it doesn’t hurt others, transparency in money and government, and make good things in America. Still unlikely to change minds but at least making friendships with people different from me.

I guess my overall thesis would be: online discourse is has proven unproductive. I’m tired of reading vitriol and “other side is so dumb wow.”

Disappointed to see the echoiness of the echo chamber on Lemmy

Thanks! Good response. I think it is always worth the effort to try and understand and talk to people and use words to convince them. I think everyone can be convinced, we just have to pull the right levers.

But if it’s the community’s opinion that that is not an option, and only violence is the answer. I have very low hopes for our country’s future.

I would be cautious about writing off an entire side’s viewpoint as overdramatic. When they do that to the left, does anyone change their mind?

This is all about division.

We need to work on understanding the root cause of issues and working towards fixing that.

I think economics is actually at the core of the problem.

A lot of people don’t have the basics right now, and they lash out at anything they can to try to fix it.

The Overton window has shifted dramatically in the last 10 years. He represents aversion to that

Not everyone has a coke budget 😞

Yeah this is the worst! You know a few designers raised this exact problem during review, too, and were shut down

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This thread has been tough for me tbh. A lot of the things I’m reading here were like what I would say when I was back in college.

I guess I’m the old man now haha

I agree, with the caveat that your last sentence is a little hand-wavey. The word “Just” makes it seem easier than it is. People are easily swayed & bought. It’s wrong, but it is a thing.

Well. Amazon didn’t make a profit for a long while. Maybe still not? EBITDA? Idk their current numbers, but I’m assuming there’s a lot of Hollywood Accounting happening.

I think closing those types of loopholes is the place we should start. Circling around: these campaign promises are easy to make, hard to keep.

It requires knowledge of accounting, economics, law, tech, politics…few people, if any, have that breadth of knowledge and connections.

I would be impressed with a politician if they had a solid how on these items. Otherwise: talk is cheap.

Yep! And people in China VPN around it

One thing I will mention. GMT above focuses on 15% of profits. It is trivial to manipulate that number. Which is why I am also for…

Openly transparent auditable money

Exactly! Good link

Thank you for sharing the video! I will take a look 🤠

Thank you for the reply! What would this look like realistically? I.e.: Google doesn’t comply. Do we build our own Chinese internet where you can’t use Google products?

Thanks for the reply! Would this work for tech companies? Biggest part of our Sp500. They’re mostly “in the cloud” right? So it’s pretty easy to move. And physical resources they leave behind would just be some data centers or whatever

Would love to see the video you mentioned if you can find it

Thank you! I like this.

To be clear: I do not think we should do nothing. That was not what I was trying to suggest. I’ve just been around a while and seen this type of promise before. I am worried that some people are maybe over optimistic about these types of promises and how it might play out.

Re: your last paragraph: would you be willing to pay more for goods or have US based companies perform worse in your 401k? (I do not have any money in my 401k to be clear I’m pretty poor, but I know that people care about that 😂) I will continue being negative and assume they’d pass that cost onto us