Oookay. I wasn’t actually claiming you were talking out of your ass. I was explaining that without backing up your claims with information, then that would be the conclusion.

Since you are refusing to do so, and since you seemed to identify with that, along with clearly conflating the two terms to suit your narrative. I can now say it’s safe to assume that you are talking out of your ass. Especially considering the first part of your response reeks of arrogance.

You’re conflating MitM, which is specifically defined as an attack, with the concept of a middleman. You acknowledge that it’s not an attack, even:

It just means it’s not a man-in-the-middle attack.

The other things you’re describing are also framed specifically in a way that makes Cloudflare seem like some sort of bad actor out of the norm.

You say users have no choice in using Cloudflare. Yeah, the party that runs the service/website/whatever decides what services they use to serve their content. Nothing special there. If you are against Amazon then users have no choice but to use them when the other side chooses to use their services, or any other service provider which includes the ones you like. Similarly, users would have to resolve DNS records to determine what services they are connecting to.

You also don’t have to use Cloudflare’s proxy. You can just use them for DNS record management. You can use different SSL settings that allow an unencrypted connection between Cloudflare and the server, or you can enforce strict SSL policies where it is encrypted end-to-end.

You’re going to have to prove any of your claims, or else I am just going to assume you’re talking out of your ass. Particularly because you’re clearly misunderstanding what a MitM is, or you’re intentionally misusing it.

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Did you even look at the article or did you see “Cloud flare” in the title and immediately grabbed your pitchfork?

The article is outlining a situation where Cloudflare is advocating to maintain privacy.

It bugs me when people say Cloudflare is a MitM, because that is a disingenuous representation the situation. Mainly that a MitM is done without either party’s knowledge or consent. It even describes that in the very first sentence of the wiki page you linked. A better description would be a “middleman”, but that’s not scary so people don’t call it that. It’s just a proxy and you opt into it.

If you are signing up for Cloudflare to use their proxy services then you are opting into having a middleman, which then means it cannot be a MitM because both sides of the connection are aware of this layer. They are not trying to hide the fact there is a Cloudflare connection layer to either side. If Cloudflare is a MitM then any networking layer for any hosting service would be considered a MitM as well.

The arguments that Cloudflare is ripe for abuse and the scale of their systems are separate arguments that should also be applied to many other providers but that is never mentioned when people bring this up. It just seems like the MitM claim is just a tactic to leverage fear in an attempt to add weight to arguments that should be perfectly valid on their own.

How about rebelling by destroying the system?

Definitely not a size issue. Most of the time it’s a meme I copied that is just a less jpegified version of one someone posted. It’s not something I want to save to my phone and waste space, and it’s too much effort to go back through and delete after I’m done than it’s worth.

Here is a recent example
https://lemmy.world/comment/13317034

No

Bottom panel should be “Genocide in Gaza AND…”

You are willing to cut off your nose to spite your face. Unwilling to see the bigger picture that your actions support a worse scenario beyond the single issue that your actions will have done nothing to help.

The problem is that he gets paid for it and he also wants more viewers. Watching the fight only justifies him and gives him what he wants.

Why not just link to the survey instead of some blog about it?

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

But what if… I were to purchase a USB hub and disguise it as my own making? [chuckles] Delightfully devilish, Seymour.

• people posting shit quality memes without spending the smallest bit of effort to find a better quality version of the same meme, especially when it’s a comic and the author is cropped out.

• people posting blog spam article links about an announcement instead of just linking directly to the announcement

Is that making your own hub as much as it is designing a case to extend the life of an existing hub?

https://youtu.be/9uYhIiW6lok

Probably not Adolf.

How about Gaylord?

You definitely don’t see many people named Lance, but back in the day people were named Lancelot.

I think it’s a puma

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