Not that I own all these, but what do they have to do with my phone? I don’t see any connection to those except where I wanted to create it.

I’m not stopping you from wanting your apple/Linux phone. Or anyone from making it. I’m just saying that I believe that my interests are similar to a lot of people who care about open source, and therefore:

-The people who care about open source will not support that enough to be successfull (currently, as more people keep saying stuff like “I just can’t live without this convenience” it might change).

-The people who care about those conveniences that much don’t care about open source, privacy or freedom, and they won’t support it either. They will only support it if it’s even more convenient and lazy, and for that the apple/Linux phone would have to be even more evil than the current options.

So in my mind it’s a dead end, and I personally I don’t support it. But go for it! And I do believe that over times those conveniences will be seen more and more as needs and soon we might have a Linux phone I wouldn’t want to use. But good for those who want it.

BUT just to be clear, I desperately want a Linux phone, yes! But my concerns are stuff like: does the hardware work well? does the camera work well? Does the GPS work well? What about signal with the telecoms? Battery lifre? You know, mostly hardware related with the software.

Tap to pay, car play, siri, all those things can be on the list, but way down on the bottom.

That’s a bit extreme. Some of those are not linked.

Yes you can not have cloud pictures without having to trust the server. But you can have an open source, inspected system that uses gps without any related data being shared. Gps doesn’t send data, it’s the system choice to create a way to send it to someone. You can have a Linux phone that doesn’t chose to do that.

You can have convenience with privacy, but the companies offering those services don’t want that, nor do the consumers care.

And those consumers would not care about a Linux phone.

It’s not the existence of the option. It’s the requirements it brings.

Which companies will this phone need to shake hands for that to work? What price will they have to pay? What risks does it bring to my privacy on that phone? What requirements will they have? Banks, car companies, credit card companies etc are not the kind of company I want to see involved in my system.

If magically you can have those agreements without any risk for me, then I’m happy with it. But it’s impossible. You want a different product than mine with those needs.

I need freedom and trust in my system and I would like convenience. You need convenience and would like freedom and trust. It’s a matter of how much you have to sacrifice of one to get the other. It’s a personal choice.

For example, even before Android shitified itself, tap to pay wouldn’t work if you have root or most custom roms. Is it the price I have to pay for your option? Limit how I can use my phone so that Banks can trust it? Imagine if I couldn’t use sudo on Linux because someone wants to bend over to a bank?

I would look for a different system.

Or, touch wood, using cash!

Imagine the horror. Something that can even work if there’s no internet at all, like the cave man used…

Or, sarcasm aside, besides working properly offline, it doesn’t give money to evil companies like visa. Then with the phone there’s yet another evil company profiting from you. And giving people the idea that it’s impossible to live without doing so.

It’s a little extra convenience for those who like it, sure, but it’s crazy to say they can’t live without it.

That’s the problem. The things you think “people” need is what they already have and it can’t be different. “I want to trust everything on a company online but I want my data to be private and safe.” You have to choose. For those people who think they “need” what you say, they already have apple and Google.

Just like Linux was never meant to replicate windows “features” like cortana and others, and it didn’t, and it works for those who don’t want those things which is why they want Linux.

The requirements for Linux to have your “needs” would make me not want it, and then it would just be a poor version of apple without the trillions of dollars that come with it. It wouldn’t please either side.

The things open source people care will always be a minority. It’s sad but it’s the reality.

Obviously they should put a massive warning “ATTENTION, BY CREATING AN ACCOUNT OR LOGIN IN, YOUR DEVICE WILL STOP WORKING IF YOU FORGET YOUR LOGIN. ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO CONTINUE?”.

Instead we are given a super useful and important warning that disabling targeted ads is bad and we should reconsider. Of course, all that is for my “security”.

And even if it gets stolen I don’t understand. The device is already stolen, what difference does it make to me if the thief can’t use it? Just petty revenge? It only makes sense if every device has that “protection” and all thieves know it. But it should be illegal to have that automatic, so in a civilized world it doesn’t make sense. It only makes sense in a world where google and apple are as nasty and dangerous as any thief, which unfortunately is the case…

I now trust much more a thief than google. At least the bad stuff they do is considered to be actually illegal. They have a risk to take to hurt me, and google actually profit from it.

Nope, it’s because of the “common sense” as in “everyone who doesn’t know what I know is stupid”.

From talking to other people, I believe my knowledge of colors and light is considerably higher than normal, but I would never think someone lacks “common sense” (which reads to me that they are stupid) for not knowing these things.

In fact when I show people how some colors are not visibly reflected on different wavelengths, and they seem interested, it makes me happy. I don’t expect them to know that, but the fact that they are curious and interested shows they are willing to learn, and that is nice.

But comments like these makes people not want to learn.

That sounds horrifying. Although also completely predictable and expected, but I didn’t know that in Brazil it had reached that level. Isn’t Lula supposed to do something about it? Back in his first presidency (I was in Brazil back then), Linux was becoming the main OS.

Although the usual 2 party system ensures that the next government would destroy everything, so I imagine all the open source effort was demolished and it can’t keep being rebuilt from scratch every 4 years, when the next government return everything to microsoft.

Anyway, I sent you a message because I have personal interest in the issue. Thanks for the useful but horrifying information.

Ah ok. I guess that’s bad. Thanks for the report. I wanted to do it too. I hope he gets something for reporting that’s not github.

What do so you mean no labels? On my one the menus have icons and text.

Yeah I saw the Google thing, I tried many things and I couldn’t deactivate it. It bothered me but I dismissed it at something I don’t understand and I imagine Firefox uses that too. But it looked like a red flag to me.

I noticed that too and was surprised. Though I haven’t tried it yet.

Except that they are so hostile to open source and custom roms.

I always check if they are an option since the phone is guaranteed to be free from google garbage on boot and I’m always disappointed.

They could be the go to for everyone who hates google but they just shot themselves in the food instead.

Again, I gave the impression I’m against it.

They will find the excuse to attack and murder whoever they want, as you said. And this time this will be the excuse they will use. And praise Yemen for standing up against them despite what will come.

Sorry, that was not against it. The world needs brave countries like Yemen to show that there is resistance. I wish I could do something even though I knew it would be suicide. But that’s what I was saying, it’s suicide. Martyrdom.

But on the hitler part, if they controlled all the super powers, the global media and had massively stronger military power with atomic bombs, there would have been no other side. They would have won and we would be talking about the holocaust of the poor arian race, which justified everything they did. To make it clear, they would have taken the place of the israel.

Because in response of this, israel will probably kill 1000 in Yemen, and Palestine as well, just to remind them.

I admire Yemen, but attacking the group that controls all the most powerful countries and weapons is suicide. As they said many times, they will kill 1000 palestinians for every israeli killed, or hurt, or annoyed, or just because a zionist hit his toe in the bed this morning.

On the pixel:

I have a love/hate thing with it. You say it’s closed software, but it’s the opposite and it’s the only reason I got it; how easy it is to remove the google garbage and install something better. I don’t like graphene and I’m planning to try other things, but it’s soooo much better than the default google experience. If you don’t want google software, ironically google phones are the best ones for that.

But the pixel5 is the last “small” phone. And no sd card, no headphone. The phone itself I hate. I liked my s10 (which I lost) much better. But not having any google software on it is worthy, and after this last experience, it’s much more so now. That said I am planning on buying an s10 again and trying to put Lineage on it. It was perfect. Great hardware, acceptable size, sd card, headphone jack… There is nothing like it anymore…

On the g54:

Did you try installing another rom? Do you know if it’s easy? It seems like an ok option, though the camera and cpu seems to be worse than the s10. It may not have bloat (it’s funny because people are ok with all the google garbage, and to me that’s bloat), but it still have the google play virus on it, so it’s dangerous without a custom rom.

About the bricking:

Yeah, I thought I bricked many phones in the past, but there was always a way around. But never before it was by design, with a virus made by the manufacturer. Unless there is an unpatched hole (and unfortunately it is up to date), I doubt there’s a software solution. I don’t have a windows computer, but I’ll try to get one to try that droidkit. I fear it’s like those “kingroot” softwares to try to root phones, that only worked on old unpatched phones and installed a bunch of nasty stuff on the way.

I found stuff like this https://droidcrafts.com/bypassing-samsung-frp-using-ubuntu/

But none of that will work because adb debug is not enabled (the update must have disabled it) neither is the bootloader unlocked.

If they were, I could reinstall the rom, or do something with adb. Without those I doubt there is a way but I’ll keep trying.

No, at least not everyone.

I use phone or headphone to avoid talking to people. To minimize the risk of what you said you use to do might happen to me.

Not everyone loves being social. And I’m one of those people from before the internet. So phones didn’t make me this way.

Did you figure it out? I’m on the same boat.

I would add the Galaxy a15 from my research, but from my previous experience i would like to avoid samsung.

The FRP is enabled automatically when a Google account has been registered on the device

How nice of them to automatically decide to brick my phone with no opt out inside a 500 pages agreement.

Now I know that google play is the nastiest virus on Android. I wish there was an alternative since apple is even worse.

And speaking of virus, most comments says droidkit is a scam. It does look like it is, but I’ll research more to see if it’s an option.

All other options assume I know my randomly generated account. I don’t. Every time I made a google account it was just random letters that i never planned to log in to.

But thanks for the help.

From what you said, you are giving facebook what they want. They have no reason to block you. You have interacted a lot with the website and for a long time. They have learned much from you and your interests. If your pictures are fake or not it’s probably irrelevant to them.

What I’ll do, interact with their marketplace, is also in their interest and help them, which makes me hate myself for doing it and I’ll limit to only things I absolutely can not find outside of facebook. And I will try to find what I need outside first.