Boeing 747-400 with 468 people aboard was forced to make an emergency landing in Indonesia on Wednesday after one of its engines caught fire and began shooting out flames during takeoff.

The Garuda Indonesia flight was bound for Medina, Saudi Arabia, which is the entry point for many Muslims making their pilgrimage to Mecca. It left from Indonesia’s international airport in Makassar, where clips showed one of the plane’s four engines becoming engulfed in flames during takeoff on Wednesday evening.

Videos of the engine fire were shared online by JACDEC, a plane crash data evaluation firm, which showed that the flames began just as the plane had lifted from the runway.

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    The last 747-400 passenger plane rolled off the production line in 2005. This is either going to be a maintenance issue or the engine ingesting debris or a bird, not faulty construction. Boeing doesn’t even make the engines, it’s either GE, Pratt & Whitney, or Rolls Royce, depending on the original owner’s preference.

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      This here. As much as I hate the new Boeing philosophy, they used to build good planes and this issue is most certainly a maintenance problem or bird strike etc…

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      Look, your facts and logic have no place in this angry mob. Either pick up a pitchfork and get with the program, or get out.

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        Boeing is under increased public awareness, any issues get picked up and amplified by the news.

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        There’s about 100,000 flights a day in the world. Until very recently Boeing was the largest provider of commercial aircraft, and it’s still second largest next to airbus. It’s basically a duopoly with those two manufacturers providing the vast majority of planes. Even with the small rate of accidents, with so many flights every day involving Boeing planes there’s going to be a few.

        Editors know anything relating to an airline accident and Boeing right now will get lots of clicks, they just throw that it’s a Boeing aircraft in the headline, then bury relevant facts indicating there’s really no way this could have anything to do with Boeing quality control in the article. And many of these are about events that happen from time to time anyways but wouldn’t normally make any sort of splash in the international news media, so suddenly it feels like you’re being bombarded with Boeing news. If the headline writer put GE or Rolls Royce airplane engine fire due to likely accidental bird collision, or Garuda Indonesia airline repair standards are subpar or something, it wouldn’t get any clicks.

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        Ok but how does this stuff keep happening to Boeing planes?

        Shit happens to lots of planes. You just hear about the Boeing ones because reporting on them is in vogue.

        I recently set up FlightRadar24 to alert me whenever a plane anywhere in the world starts squawking 7700, the emergency code. It’s REMARKABLE how often it happens. At least a few times per day, it seems like. There are well over 100,000 flights every day, and occasionally stuff goes wrong.

        (And yet, whenever a fatal commercial air incident occurs it’s global news, because those are still exceptionally rare.)

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        Airbus has a ton of new planes grounded due to engine failures since before the door blowout. But you won’t hear about it because shitting on Boeing is what got clicks instead.

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      Why would it being a maintenance problem make it any better at all?

      “Don’t worry guys, the planes aren’t inherently defective, we’re just not maintaining them correctly!”

      Super comforting.

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        Every time a Boeing plane has issues these days people are quick with low effort “Boeing bad” posts. Maintenance isn’t Boeing’s responsibility, it’s the airline’s.

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    This is another article that claimed a jet engine burst into flames, when all that happened was an engine surge. The engine didn’t catch fire, the engine did the jet version of a backfire, and only once during the takeoff roll.

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      Thank you for reading the article and educating us. The thumbnail image looks like the plane is about to disintegrate!

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      But but but muh clicks! Muh ad revenue!! Who the hell cares about my affect on society!? I need muh clicks!

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          How useful was your comment?

          We’re not a corporation, we’re not measured by any form of effectiveness or efficiency, we’re just people posting comments on a relatively obscure platform.

          Excuse me while I make childish comments about how absurd the media is. :/

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          I mean they’re not wrong though that’s what it boils down to.

          Some dude in a suit throwing a fit because green number must go up.

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          I’d personally say it was useful. It’s a commentary on the article itself about the problem. Yes, Boeing has a HUGE problem lately, but is it actually worse than any other flying plane or jet manufacturer or is media hyping some of it up more because of recent events?

          I haven’t looked, but I would love to see stats of incidents of each airline compared to their entire running fleet. It may be like crimes per capita where yes there may be a lot reported, but really minor and small compared to the inventory actually flying.

          Is this an airline problem? A build problem? I am not an aviation aficionado so I honestly have no clue. I am not saying let Boeing off the hook for the shit they’ve pulled, but I want to know more in general about the aviation industry and safety.

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            Minor incidents happen all the time in aviation. They have pretty high standards for what is considered an incident. There will always be incidents that can regularly be reported on.

            Boeing has some major safety issues. That is a real concern. However, national news is over reporting minor incidents with boeing planes, while being sure to mention boeing in the headline, because they know people will click on any article with boeing in the title. Scared people click on scary headlines.

            Incidents with other aircraft are reported locally, and they just say “airplane” in the title.

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    Looks like the last passenger 747-400 was made in 2005. I think I’m willing to give Boeing a pass on this one. I get the feeling that Boeing personnel probably haven’t been anywhere near this plane in at least five, maybe ten years.

    Indonesian air travel has been notorious for incidents over recent decades. Each of the country’s airlines were banned over E.U. and U.S. airspace in 2007 but were reinstated in 2016 and 2018. Since then, Garuda has joined the SkyTeam airline alliance, which includes North American carriers Delta Air Lines and Aeroméxico.

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    completed an approximately 90-minute holding pattern before safely returning to and landing in Makassar.

    Lol wtf!? I get that it was past the point of no return and had to commit to take off but a 90 min wait to land again seems insane.

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        It’s weird they designed it to lose an engine. They should have designed it not to lose an engine. That would have been better.

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          Well, we have already.

          The Internet was designed to be resilient against nuclear war. Most protocols are resilient, it’s just been the last few years that some companies abused their positions (Cloudflare, Google) and it also came to light, that some protocols have been designed with a tad too much trust (BGP, SMTP).

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            I am aware… I meant more so with the recent trends… We have p2p ffs. So its not the tech its how its being built.

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        ETOPS is not required for 747s. Being a 4 engine plane it can run fine with him three. So an engine failure is not an actual emergency although you will still need to land cause of the reduced performance running with three engines.

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      My guess is that they wanted the plane to use up most of the fuel before attempting the landing. As long as the plane is flying, the speed of the plane adds a level of safety to the fire. Once the plane lands and slows down, that fire would start affecting the rest of the wing much more, but there can’t be a big kaboom anymore if the fuel tanks are empty.

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        Long distance 747 flighs usually take off above the maximum landng weight. They need to get rid of the fuel before landing, but the 400 has the ability to dump fuel.

        The engine wasn’t on fire. The engine had a surge on takeoff. They would have shut the engine off as it might have been damaged, but the plane was not on fire. They would have landed much sooner if it was.

        Many articles describe engine surges with language that, while not technically a lie, is written to make readers conclude that the airplane is actually on fire.

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      Plane was not on fire. Passengers were in no immediate danger. Its safer to keep flying and prepare than make a hasty landing for no reason.

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      Landing overweight can be even more dangerous. The engine was shut down and they can fly just fine on 3 engines.

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    Here come more derpwads that don’t understand that airline maintenance is a thing and Boeing has nothing to do with this

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      “Keeps going up”

      Yeah stop exaggerating. It’s down 30% since last December. It’s still trending downwards. And it’s 50% down since the highest price ever in 2019.

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        My point is, that most other companies would have shut down after all these incidents instead of “still trending downwards”

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          Would they have? Tesla, Toyota (prius brake issue), Samsung (battery fires and iirc dryer issues) Ford (exploding pinto iirc) Sacklers (opiates) all have blood/injuries on their hands from mistakes, willful negligence, or outright corruption and they’re all going strong.

          Edit ah, I might be out of date on Perdue.

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      Zoom out to the 5 year graph and it tells another story.

      Also such events (which are non-catastrophic) are not entirely uncommon.

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        To me, it seems like these events are way beyond common. A single accident (even catastrophic) would be acceptable. What is going on at Boeing, seems to be way beyond acceptable!

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          Have you actually looked at data or are you just going by feel based on how many news articles you see?

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            That second one.

            The knee-jerkiness and low effort “feels” comments on Lemmy sometimes is worse than it ever was on Reddit. It’s really exhausting.

            Ironically I find that the same people that complain about clickbait headlines are some of the worst when it comes to falling for rage-bait, for outrage addiction, not bothering to read articles, comment almost entirely off of “feels”, etc.

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          I don’t disagree with your views on Boeing, but this incident is quite likely not related to Boeings problems, (other than their hard-earned public perception problem). Plane engines shouldn’t catch fire, but they do, whether that is rare bad luck or somebody screwed up is yet to be decided, but it sounds like this is not a newly minted plane, Boeing probably hasn’t touched it in years.

          Not that Boeing hasn’t earned their public perception problem, but accidents happened before Boeing lost their mojo, and will continue to happen even if Boeing regain it. This incident may well turn out to have lessons once the investigation is done, and some might be directed at Boeing, but that’s not where I’d put my money this time around, it sounds unlikely that they caused this particular incident.

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          What is going on at Boeing, seems to be way beyond acceptable!

          This specific plane was built in 2001, and its engines were made by Pratt & Whitney. Boeing doesn’t build the engines, 747 engines came from Pratt & Whitney, GE, or Rolls Royce depending on the preference of the original buyer.

          Air incidents happen all the time (though fatalities are rare). You hear about the Boeing ones because Boeing is in the news (for very good reason, with regard to the 737 MAX and to a lesser extent the 787). But Boeing wasn’t responsible for this incident.

          If anything, Boeing’s design of the 747 proved itself yet again. That plane successfully climbed and maintained a holding pattern for 90 minutes after an engine failure during takeoff.

          Don’t get me wrong, modern Boeing needs to be overhauled. But older Boeing planes are still remarkably safe. (As are the current ones, the 787 has never suffered a fatality or a hull loss. But they’re playing a dangerous game with safety at the expense of profit lately.)

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      That’s because it’s not a company that makes planes. It’s a company that maximizes stock value and sometimes makes planes, shoddily, when forced to in order to keep the stock value up.

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      I would refuse any flight on a new Boeing plane (post 2019), but the 747 is a very reliable plane, and I would have zero problems with flying one today even after this event.

      This is not Boeing’s fault.