Plot twist: The right side is actually just Linux furries having Vim vs Emacs and X11 vs Wayland debate/fight.
And systemd vs other init systems, FOSS vs open source, GNU or not, Pipewire and PulseAudio, Windows…
Pipewire and PulseAudio
What is pipewire? Shouldn’t this be alsa vs pulseaudio?
Sir, it’s 2024, not 2006.
Pipewire is a more modern replacement for pulseaudio.
Sir, it’s 2024, not 2006.
I have never heard of alsa. Pipewire is supposed to be the better pulseaudio is it not?
Alsa is the very base of the Linux audio system. Pipewire and pulseaudio run on top of it. Back before pulseaudio it was directly used by software
ah got it
People are fighting over Wayland vs X11? I thought X11 wasn’t dropped specifically for compatibility?
Plot twist: the “wolves” are just furries going to a major infosec conference, and will also talk endlessly about Linux
And about how they penetrated disney so hard with their hairy giant cocks, lol
Do you realize you could simply not type a comment about hairy giant cocks?
Yes
Definitely next to Linux guy. I’ve been working on Linux since very early days, so I don’t talk about it because at this point it is as core to my life as knowing how to brush teeth. Nothing would entertain me more than to spend a flight giving that guy the ole “ummmm…actually”.
No, you’re the Linux guy this image macro is about.
Oh, I’ll bore you to death talking about stuff, just not Linux.
I would love to sit next to you gaining Linux knowledge!
Could you give us your opinions on what you would change about bash if you could go back in time and just decide how it was?
Me, avoiding that hornets nest.
Add a 30-second delay after every command to make it harder for hackers
You convinced me; “Pack of wolves, please?”
Emacs or vi?
nano
Heathen!
Obviously vi.
I’ll sit beside him, put in my IEMs so I can’t hear him and reimage my steam deck with windows 11 just to make him squirm.
Oh, hi Satan.
So You Have Chosen Death
Wait, you carry Win11 installation media with you? Who let you out of Arkham Asylum?
This might be one of the few scenarios where the wolves feel bad for him and eat you anyway.
The wolves are the ones that gave me the windows installation media.
Amos was goated
Seat 2. The guy in seat 1 already uses Linux, so someone ought to tell the wolves.
Well this is lemmy, nearly everyone is the Linux guy. Personally I would definitely sit next to the Linux guy because I would love to nerd out with someone else about Linux for 10 hours.
There’s an easy way to solve the hungry wolf problem. Which also solves the other.
Feed the Linux bros to the wolves.
*I use BSD, btw.
I thought it would’ve been for you and the Linux guy to grab the people in first class to feed to the wolves…
We tried that first. Wolves were still hungry.
You say that, but what if they use Manjaro.
Then they won’t be able to talk because their SSL cert has expired
Oh, when I entered the plane side 1 was still empty
Hear me out.
The Wolves got through the airport checkpoints without any issues.
And what do you imply?
It was an argument in favor of the wolves. In fact, there is no implication at all, it was very blatant.
I’ll sit next to 1, and I’ll spend the entire flight talking to him about my .NET setup on Windows and how to date Visual Studio is still the best IDE available for any mainstream programming language.
The good old lying approach, I see.
Name an IDE that is better.
i somehow feel this might be sort of a vim-vim situation 😁
Aside from being boomer tech, I’d say that both are text editors.
Have you heard of our lord and saviour, Delphi?
Oh man. I miss Delphi days.
I wish they’d open source it.
I don’t think anything else comes close for just dropping a bunch of shit on a form and running it.
I haven’t. What’s that and does it come close to neovim?
I think it’s a different beast entirely.
The open source alternative to Delphi is Lazarus if you’re that way inclined.
A lot of Delphi was the work of Anders Hejlsberg, who you might remember from other little known languages such as C# and Typescript.
There is some that are faster and probably lighter and more efficient. But better, no. VSCode takes the cake. I use VSCodium.
VS is not VSCode, not even comparable
You say that as if somebody was disputing that.
I’m more partial to Zed now. I like to type in high FPS.
I’d consider vscode to still be a text editor, although I do really like using it for TypeScript. For me, VS still takes the crown because it’s just so good at debugging and evaluating C#. It’s hard for anyone to compete since Microsoft largely owns (yes, I know the .NET Foundation is responsible for .NET) the whole ecosystem.
VS Code is a code editor, not an IDE.
The distinction ceased to be meaningful the minute language servers got introduced.
True. If I were to count text editors then vscode would probably be the winner. TypeScript support in vscode is just beautiful.
Vanilla vscode is not an IDE, true. But that’s a moot point as you can load that shit up with a bajillion extensions and turn it into what’s basically a proper IDE.
Any of the JetBrains suite.
IntelliJ is a blight on humanity.
Someone hasn’t used eclipse, I see
Eclipse is the Trump to IntelliJ’s Hillary.
Says person who thinks Visual studio is the best IDE
It has seamless integration with the language and framework, and to date (outside of TypeScript support in vscode) I’m yet to use anything that comes close to the level of control in debugging. IntelliJ shits the bed at even basic Gradle builds.
Suprised nobody mentioned Neovim yet
Even for dotnet, I prefer rider
I was so excited for Rider, especially since I do like some of the features of other JetBrains IDE’s, but I’ve found it just too unreliable when it comes to build support, and despite years of dominance in tooling from the ReSharper days VS intellisense is just much nicer. It’s very close though, and IMO Rider is nicer to use for C# than IntelliJ or PyCharm are for their respective languages.
Depends what distro he runs
He runs arch btw
I’ll ride on the wing
i recommend the wheel, its way more fun
Ill ride cargo.
*I use Rust btw
If you need me I’ll be sky diving Minus the parachute.
My homies use gentoo
I feel like that has been superseded by Nix these days. Arch is now boring stable tech.
Totally next to the linux guy. In fact, I was in such a situation on the train before. I was just there working and the person sitting next to me noticed I had a linux desktop (in fact, GNU/Linux, btw). They were curious and vaguely interested in switching to linux for a while, so we had a nice conversation about this.
I would not bring this up myself, but it’s cool that this happens sometimes (i.e., once in a few decades of life so far)
Totally next to the linux guy. In fact, what you’re refering to as Linux is GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
Thank you. In that sense I find OP’s question misleading: Option 1 should be “guy who really likes to talk about the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project”
I bet I could convert a hundred people to Linux.
How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
This is the good interaction, I had the bad version:
Long ago in highschool I was interested in Linux but was thrown off it by the “Tech” group of kids who, even though we went to the same nerdy Star Trek club, told me I would be able to understand it.
I get that hurt people, hurt others; but duck those guys from 20 years in the future.
I’m getting back into interest for Linux cause I just got a Steam Deck and I’m curious as to what else I can do with a full desktop.
Good luck! The way I see it: Linux has its issues, but so do Windows and Mac OS (and others). The cool thing with Linux though is that for many problems you can create/find some form of error logs, google them, and someone online will help you. In most cases they have solved that problem already.
Windows problems often feel like black magic: Something doesn’t work, but all you can do is knock on your laptop, turn it off and on again, and pray. Unless you’re lucky and find a shady program online that you can download and install, hoping the programmers mean well.
With Mac OS, you can often solve problems by throwing money at them. But sometimes that doesn’t work and then you can’t do anything about them and just have to accept the one way to use your computer correctly.
So in that sense I don’t think Linux is “harder”. There are problems of course, but you learn to think differently about them and are often able to solve them.
My thoughts exactly, and thanks for such a nice reply
what do the wolves smell like?
Trick question, it doesn’t matter since the plane reeks of kerosene with a faint hint of vomit.
I’M GONNA PET THE PUPPIES :D
and feed them ._.
Can I choose the bear?
The bear uses Arch, BTW.
You need vodka
