He’s angry because he lost his election. I’m angry because I fear we lost our country.
We are not the same.
Maximum age limits should be enacted
This is the most incredibly selfish thing I could possibly imagine. An old man moping about his inability to cling to power for another minute. As the next generations look on, begging for someone to act.
He paints Trump as a villain (rightfully so) but is so pathetic that he is unable to rise to any heroism. At least go out swinging.
Don’t know what I expected. But it is a slap in the fucking face to hear this.
“Forced out.” welcome to a primary, Biden. Functional parties have them.
Both shams when we know that the DNC picks their favorite from day one and works with the media to form their narrative. 90% of voters are just looking to be told who to vote for.
Look no further than Kamala. Right up until 21 July, when Biden was facing calls to resign by rank and file Dems every day, we were getting puff piece after puff piece that “Biden still polls better than Kamala Harris,” “Biden is still the best possible candidate.” Well, Biden eventually caved and literally overnight Harris became not only the real best chance, but actually was looking really good. Nothing about her changed. None of her policies changed overnight. The only thing that changed was that she was now the status quo choice and therefore “safe” for the MSM to endorse.
What’s worse is that Pelosi revealed in her NYT interview that party leadership HAD AGREED TO AN OPEN PRIMARY.
Biden still beat Trump while Harris didn’t.
Maybe he would have the second time too just because he’s white and male.
The debate ended that chance. Fucker was arguing about golf scores with a fascist.
Yeah and over half of American voters voted for Trump.
And when Harris bent over backwards to appeal to the “white moderates” aka suburban conservatives she got less votes than Biden from them, but not that much less. If it was just about her gender and skin color we’d have seen more but the reality is the lines have been drawn and the racists and sexists weren’t going to vote for a Dem regardless, they already have their candidate.
There are racists and sexists in both parties.
Biden won his primary.
A sham primary in which the DNC shut out new candidates, refused to have debates, and then coronated a new candidate anyway.
I’ll catch downvotes for this, but every incumbent president has a primary that is abbreviated and dominated by the incumbent. Biden is no different than Obama, Bush, etc. That said, you can and should still be critical of the DNC not hosting a full primary when Harris was tapped out.
That’s not an accident though, the party is choosing to shut out new candidates. I think it’s always wrong to do, because it puts even more power over our elections into the hands of billionaires.
Yes. The party chooses to “shut out new candidates” in the sense that the vast majority of potential candidates choose not to run. In large part because the incumbency is either a massive strength or an albatross hanging around everyone’s neck.
And considering primaries tend to come down more to attacking the candidate themselves (since the viable candidates tend to have platforms not too dissimilar from one another with the expectation that the final platform is an amalgam of the front runners anyway), it mostly just serves to provide weaknesses for the other party to exploit.
A biden who had chosen to stand down would have been a very different story. There were definitely arguments for it at the time much as there were arguments against it (the biden years were really good for the country and most of the horrors of it would have been there under any other president). But people are stupid and decided that the local kroger jacking up the prices meant the world was ending and so forth.
If the DNC couldn’t stop Marianne Williamson from running against Biden, then they couldn’t stop anyone.
And the DNC doesn’t run debates, they are generally run by the media networks.
The DNC removed delegates for an entire state during the primary, they argued in court in 2016 they didn’t have to respect the voters as a private company. They’ve been actively suppressing democracy in primaries ever since Obama skipped the line.
They removed the delegates of New Hampshire, because New Hampshire didn’t follow the rules. New Hampshire thought it was entitled to vote first even though it was clearly another state’s turn to vote first.
Eventually the DNC ended up reinstating the NH delegates.
You can’t seriously consider what he won to be a legitimate primary.
People were free to choose from a list of candidates. That’s equally “legitimate” as most primaries.
Here in California, we haven’t had a presidential democratic primary since 2016, and he wasn’t running then. Please explain how he won, when the DNC cancelled the 2020 primary before we even got to vote, and never had a 2024 primary?
I mean that’s obviously a lie. There’s documentation that proves primaries were held. I voted in mine.
Some of them were held. Ours was cancelled and they called it for Biden because of the pandemic. And again, what primary in 2024?
The one my wife and I voted in.
There was a California primary in 2024.
- Biden won 3,207,687 votes
- Williamson won 146,356 votes
Other candidates included
- Eban Cambridge
- Gabriel Cornejo
- Stephen P Lyons
- Armando “Mando” Perez-Serrato
- Dean Phillips
I was signed up for mail in voting, and never got a primary ballot in 2020. Got one in 2024 but of course there wasn’t a presidential primary option.
Also how many votes did Bernie get, cause we had tons of Bernie voters here in 2016 and 2020
Maybe you didn’t see the presidential primary on your ballot? If not you should have gotten another ballot, because millions of other Californians voted in the presidential primary.
And Sanders wasn’t running in 2024. He is not required to run in order to hold a primary.
There wasn’t a presidential primary in 2024, I thought we were talking about 2020, when there was one that the DNC called early because of the pandemic. As far as I can tell there wasn’t a primary in CA in 2020 because despite being on the register, and signed up for mail in voting, I never got a ballot. Didn’t follow up due to pandemic.
If those are 2024 vote totals, then they were made up, because we didn’t have a presidential primary. I got that ballot.
I don’t know what you’re talking about. I already linked the results of the 2024 California primary.
And of course there was also a California primary in 2020. Not only that, Sanders won.
What county are you in? Because I’m in central Cali, and I’m pretty sure I voted for Dean Phillips in the primary.
If the California 2020 primary was cancelled then why are there results reported? (Spoiler, Bernie won it)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Democratic_presidential_primary
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-primary-elections/california-results/
https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/primaries-caucuses/state/california
who did the california delegates go to?
Ah, we’re onto the moving of the goalposts! At least we’re admitting/agreeing that the primary did, in fact, take place.
It’s right there in the Wikipedia link:
Senator Bernie Sanders won the highly desired primary, which bore the most delegates of the entire primary cycle by far, improving on his polling average by 3% and winning 36% of the vote and 225 delegates.[1] Former vice president Joe Biden, however, aided by among others the endorsements of Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar, also had a much stronger second-place finish than expected and took 28% of the vote and 172 delegates
Further down in the same link
The 415 pledged delegates to the 2020 Democratic National Convention were allocated proportionally on the basis of the results of the primary.
And then if we go and look over here at how the delegates voted for the convention, we can see that Bernie received all those pledged delegates’ votes and a few more. Some mixture of superdelegates and delegates who were pledged to some other candidate who dropped out, but Biden picked up more of those. Now, before you treat that as an “Aha! See! They cheated Bernie!” I’ll remind you that Bernie dropped out in April and the delegates voted 4 months later in August. So even though he dropped out he still received more delegate votes than his popular vote in the primary warranted him. And you might be interested to know pretty much no candidate ever has won the general election after a contested convention, so the smart play for the general was for the I pledged and superdelegates to present a united front in support of the nominee.
Are you a registered Democrat? Afaik, for all those primaries you claim that didn’t happen, you had to be registered as a party member to actually vote in them. I specifically re-registered as Democrat from independent to vote for Bernie in all of them.
I’mma be honest: I was going to ask that same question but figured nobody could be THAT stupid.
Kudos for justifiably having even less faith in humanity than I do.
Honestly, I hadn’t even heard of primaries until the 2016 election, let alone that you needed to register as a party member to participate (came as a surprise to me since I went in person and had to fill out a new voter registration thing). My civics classes were absolute garbage in school. I didn’t learn shit.
No. My religion prevents me from joining a political party.
So you chose not to participate in the primary.
But there was a primary. Correct?
Not that I can tell. Especially since none of those names are Sanders, and despite being signed up, I wasn’t allowed to vote.
As you just said in another comment, you opted out of electing a political party preference, which is the same thing as opting out of voting in the primaries.
This is a decision you made, don’t misrepresent it. I don’t complain when I can’t see in a dark room because I didn’t want to turn the light on.
What are even talking about? I voted by mail in both 2020 and 2024 primaries, in California.
Somehow he’s not near the top of my list of people to feel sorry for.
Biden has been absolutely consistent about is this belief that he believes that had he stayed in the race, he would have defeated Donald Trump again
And this is one reason why. He was dead weight that held back Harris (or someone more capable that might have emerged if there had been a competitive primary).
The best part of his presidency was letting Warren and Bernie do their own things for Labor and Consumers. It makes me wonder if Harris just had no ideas or if Biden (or his staff) was constantly knee capping her.
He is completely delusional if he thinks he would have outperformed Kamala, let alone win the election.
we’ll he’s not black or female
downvoting me win’t change how racist/sexist america is
Nah, see, this is a problem. IIRC, a lot of Hillary’s 2016 campaign team got put in charge of the Kamalampaign, and it shows, imo. They basically ran the 2016 playbook from cover to cover, including the completely useless “we made no mistakes, Americans are just awful” retrospective. People were fucking jazzed when Kamala and Walz showed up, and Kamala’s left-leaning record was really being talked up. Then, they started talking about their platform, and it was somehow an even more uninteresting mish-mash of Biden 2020 and Clinton 2016. I’d say it was arguably closer to Hillary’s platform in 2016 than Biden’s; I remember Biden at least had some interesting talking points like rail revitalization.
People are drowning, everyone feels broke because the working class hasn’t seen a meaningful wage increase for fifty years while everything has kept getting more expensive. There’s a frankly shocking amount of people for whom rent consumes 40% or more of their income; that’s half you paycheck gone just to not be homeless, and now you’ve got to pay everything else. I don’t blame folks for wanting to wreck the system. I blame the democrats for not reading the fucking room; the house is on fire and they’re offering little toy buckets and saying “sorry, we got bullied by our own party, so this is the best we can do. Btw, the fire is all in your head.”
They could have done better, they just didn’t want to. For whatever reason, there’s strong elements in the Democratic party that are fucking convinced that the best way to win elections is to never offer anything of substance ever, and just rely on not being the other candidate.
your not wrong but I live in the south, if you think black woman had nothing to do with it you’re wrong
I’ve lived in the south. That’s fair.
And I’ll never stop feeling angry that he didn’t decide to step down after one term. The difference is that I’m going to live long enough to see the consequences of that decision.
Why don’t you save the country instead of being a moody bitch? It’s entirely possible to do the wrong things for all the right reasons, and still be correct
I hope by the time the next election comes around, assuming we will ever have another election, that we endorse a new party and completely abandon the democratic party in favor of something like a labor party. Maybe, just maybe, we have seen the Democrats vs. Republicans for the last time.
This country had different parties before, we can have different parties again.
I’m more aligned with Sanders than the democrats. D just feels like neoliberalism protected by identity politics when we need to focus on class issues. Lots of working people can get behind the same idea of wealth inequality. Identity politics has fragmented the focus. I don’t give a shit about Target/rando corp having rainbow clothes: when lots of people cannot afford the clothes, then that’s a problem to solve.
The problem is that there are people who really fucking care about those rainbow clothes. And those people don’t think a subset of our population should exist. That’s why it’s something to give a fuck about.
You don’t have to be gay to give a shit about these things. They’re talking about ending marriage equality (or “leave it up to the states” which I’m sure won’t lead to chaos when states decide not to acknowledge people’s marriage certificates).
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I agree with you that the Democrats need to focus on economic issues, but I’m not following on the “identity politics.”
What did the Democrats propose to do about pride merch in Target?
It’s less about what they did than didn’t do. There’s been inroads made because of identity politics, but now it feels somewhat pointless. Instead of being the “big tent” party, the Dems are the party of many tents. That means working class people look at it, say, “I’m not part of some special group, so I don’t matter.” And they turn red or just “not Dems.” A lot of people didn’t have improvements in their lives over the last 4 years.
Absolutely, some groups are more negatively impacted by others, but systemic racism is invisible to many. Meanwhile, things are more expensive, salaries can’t keep up with inflation, we’re talking about trillionaires in 10 years.
I don’t identify as a democrat. They can talk all they want, but I have no faith in the party. I fit in several identity politics groups, but that doesn’t matter while people struggle with housing, food… it’s just a distraction to divide us further rather than focusing on the shared element that every day people are facing.
That means working class people look at it, say, “I’m not part of some special group, so I don’t matter.”
In fairness, there haven’t been a lot of indicators that the working class matters to Democrats. In fact, they got a few very public demonstrations that when given the opportunity, Democrats will not act in the best interests of workers.
The problem isn’t that Democrats defend trans people too much (because they fucking don’t. They ran republican anti-trans hate in their own ads last election.) The problem is that Democrats don’t also fight for workers.
Democrats should openly and viciously fight for every tent they (falsely claim to) represent. Not just the ones that are convenient at the moment.
The Democrats are the incompetent defenders
Incompetent implies that they tried and failed. Not failed to try.
I agree at the general prescription for the party. On a personal level, it’s starting to feel like a distraction, and maybe even a manufactured one.
On a personal level, it’s starting to feel like a distraction, and maybe even a manufactured one.
So we should just abandon every vulnerable minority on the grounds that protecting them or fighting for them in any way would just play into Republicans’ attempts to distract?
Oh yeah! Definitely what I’m saying in good faith! /s
Focus on what an actual aligned group can: our class. We’d help those groups and more if we stopped doing this.
I say I agree with someone and I get bad faith questioning back.
I’m still not following then.
Why would you list pride merch in Target as one of the problems with the Democrats if that’s not one of their problems?
Do you have anything to support this hypothesis that supporting vulnerable groups was what cost them the election instead of them being the party of the status quo? Or maybe I’m misunderstanding?
Like I said, I’m with you that they need to focus on economics that has an effect on people’s lives. I just don’t follow your other point.
It’s a joke because a bunch of people on the right got mad over Target.
This is an opinion. I’m okay with my feelings being wrong.
Then aren’t you doing the thing you’re complaining about? Choosing to discuss identity politics over economics?
I don’t want to talk about it. Other people are?
He’s just pissy he didn’t get his own chance to fucking lose. Because in his heart, Biden also thinks the problem with Kamala is that she was a black woman. He sees no problem with his policies, his stance on Israel, his willingness to play nice and coy with Republicans, or his impending death. He seriously thinks that only he could “save” America, and that he could have won. All this, despite all the constituents of his party cheering when he stepped down and flooded his replacement with donations and praise.
I’ll say it again, rest in piss Brandon. People will compare you to Chamberlain or Brüning, and it will be a disservice to both those men. Your ego caused you to utterly fail your country, and we will remember you as a failure.
Biden has absolutely nobody to blame for him getting ousted but himself.
Dems told him he should not run for a second term, and he ignored them and did it anyway.
Then, he proves all his critics right by absolutely imploding during the debate.
What did he expect?
Time to fade away into obscurity. Thanks for letting your ego get in the way of what was best for America.
Dems told him he should not run for a second term, and he ignored them and did it anyway.
During his 2020 campaign he fucking said he only wanted to serve one term, that he wanted to act as a bridge president. Then he proceeded to do absolutely nothing to put Harris in front of the country, absolutely nothing to set her up for an ezpz “incumbent” primary, and cock blocked the entire fucking country until the last minute.
I don’t know if he lied to our faces, changed his mind, or just forgot but fuck him regardless.
Edit - His only fucking job was to win in 2020, then unchain the AG or whoever to bring cases against every single person who used the Constitution as a cum rag as fast as realistically possible. He failed. He won the election in 2020, then just didn’t finish the fucking job. Fucking pathetic joke of an out of touch old.
During his 2020 campaign he fucking said he only wanted to serve one term,
Can you actually find him saying this, or is it only people on background who wouldn’t allow their name to be printed next to the statement that said this and people’s brains morphed it into an official campaign promise because they wanted it to be the truth so badly?
Answered in another comment way earlier, but yeah staffer on background said it and my brain 4.5 years later morphed what I originally read into Biden saying it. My bad.
It’s not about you Joe. Get the fuck over yourself.
He fumbled his chance by historical margins when everybody was already scrutinizing his capabilities. There was no recovering from the debate. His legacy will be refusing to accept reality and bringing about an era that my generation may never recover from.
He should have announced he was going to be a 1 term president a year prior and gave a chance to find a better Democrat candidate. He’s senile and hardly able to run the country. No one over 70 should be president. No one over 70 should be in any office or judicial position. Our country shouldn’t be ran by the nearly dead. Even 8f some of them like Sanders are great.
He announced he was going to be a one term president when he was running for that first term. (I know a campaign promise isn’t an announcement, but it was supposed to be common knowledge before he changed his mind.)
That’s not really true, unless you can find better sources for it than I found.
That article quotes Biden staffers who are attributing quotes to him. I must have misremembered him stating as much directly, idk. Fuck him either way.
It says in the article that he was directly asked about going single term and he told the interviewer he wasn’t going to commit to being a single term president. “Misremembering” is just weak speak for being wrong.
Bruh fuck off with the aggro bullshit. I never said I was right. I read an article in 2020 that cited an aide stating Biden wanted to be a one term president. 4.5 years later, I remembered reading an article worded in a manner that framed Biden as a one term president. I thought the source was him directly.
I misremembered. Bring wrong is a prerequisite for misremembering.
I literally said I was wrong, but you felt the need to jump down my throat to tell me I was wrong? Cool.
Go suck a fuck. Why are you even commenting about you being wrong over a post that’s been dead for a week.
Wow great job quoting Donnie Darko at me. Responding bc I haven’t looked at any of my notifications for a week. I’m sorry that getting a notification from me got you so hot and bothered lol.
Edit - you’re probably just mad bc you thought misremembered wasn’t a word.
The reality is his personal mental acumen is very, very irrelevant if he’s surrounded himself with trusted advisors who are competent. That being said, you can’t show up to a debate and look like you’re 200 years old and have no idea what planet you’re on.
The reality is his personal mental acumen is very, very irrelevant if he’s surrounded himself with trusted advisors who are competent.
That might be the case if he had surrounded himself with competent advisors.
The US’s only chance at starting to get better will have to have a leader and not a puppet. Being surrounded with politicians in your trust will keep things running, but just keep pumping out more of the same shit we have had.
You still woulda lost, Joe. Dumb American voters wanted someone to blame for groceries costing more, and that blame went to you.
I originally read that as “genocide costing more” and was like “how true”
Sadly, most Americans don’t care about what happens to other people.
Teamsters went for trump after dems bailed out their retirement pensions. Americans don’t even care what happens to them, they just want to feel like they’re strong and powerful manly men.
And one thing, importantly, that President Biden has been absolutely consistent about is this belief that he believes that had he stayed in the race, he would have defeated Donald Trump again. Now, all of this adds up to, I would say, a mood of sadness and sort of this sense of tragedy here at the White House,” concluded Lee. “Those around him believing and actually hoping that when history judges President Biden years from now, that it will be a little bit more forgiving than how the president is being widely judged, at least today, Jake. ”
Emphasis mine. The level of hubris is genuinely jaw-dropping.
