• Ascend910@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    1 minute ago

    They are slowly leaking into lemmy.world, my friends living in .world please try your best to hold your position there. Don’t let them break through

  • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
    34·
    3 hours ago

    We should keep them all trapped on twitter forever.

    It’s a good containment zone for the trash.

    If you see someone supporting Trump tell them to go back to twitter and block them

  • randon31415@lemmy.world
    171·
    3 hours ago

    Just had to block someone that said wanting a democracy and not supporting a dictatorship was “Chasing perfection at the cost of the good”.

  • cygnus@lemmy.ca
    1951·
    8 hours ago

    Isn’t it weird how much harder it is for them to tip the scales on Lemmy and Mastodon, platforms without algorithms designed by right-wing billionaires?

    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
      142·
      3 hours ago

      To be fair, it took a huge Reddit exodus for Lemmy to stop being full-blown work camp supporting communist. I’m sure if enough to right wing trolls showed up, this place would change again too

      • rivan@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        2 hours ago

        We are fortunate then, that the upcoming generation of conservatives cannot read.

      • cygnus@lemmy.ca
        7·
        3 hours ago

        That’s a good point, but at least the views would reflect those of the majority rather than being algorithmically-manipulated as on Twitter or Facebook.

      • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        2 hours ago

        The bittersweet end of a successful movement. The public will be better off after Fediverse Eternal September.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
      91·
      8 hours ago

      WHAT? Are you implying that the rich used the advantage of closed black box algorithms to screw with peoples opinions, motivations and emotions for the goal of enriching themselves both financially and with power‽

      Preposterous!/s

    • RagnarokOnline@programming.dev
      57·
      8 hours ago

      Kinda makes ya think… Maybe letting someone else filter the content you see is an inherently biased concept.

      I’d rather apply my own biases to my feed, tyvm.

      • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
        9·
        6 hours ago

        Bias is always present in this type of thing, the critical difference is honesty, openness, freedom to dissent (in theory and in practicality) and integrity of which big tech companies do not even possess a homeopathic amount.

        Same story with trust for that matter…

        • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
          5·
          2 hours ago

          There’s also the fact that the ‘left-wing’ has constant infighting… about how to help people, whereas the ‘right-wing’ are (mostly) single issue voters who don’t care what the other conservatives do so long as they get their thing. So a left-wing ‘echo chamber’ is kind of amusing when you try to imagine a Social Democrat and an Anarchist tacitly agreeing to almost anything.

          Is there bias? Sure. What exactly that constitutes seems, to me at least, to be ‘I don’t think people should be in camps/have their rights removed/lose bodily autonomy, or that governments should spend more subsidizing oil and gas than all other areas.’

          • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
            4·
            30 minutes ago

            I agree with the spirit of the point, but I also think it is critically important to SCREAM into the air right now that actually yes we do agree on a whole lot more on the leftwing than rightwing people do amongst their lame circles of hate.

            It is our vibrant arguments, passionate disagreements and loud messy divisions and categories that keep leftism from becoming an echo chamber, as you nod towards in putting it in parentheses as ‘echo chamber’. Yes this is true and necessary to point out, but also the leftwing simultaneously and not in the least bit paradoxically agrees on way more than conservatives do. Don’t mistake blind compliance with whatever dominant narrative is being broadcast at the moment (hating trans people, being afraid of an “”“”“”““immigrant crisis””“”“”“”", not believing in evolution?? (did that go out of style yet? (sorry I wrote this aside like lisp code))) for a group of people being in true agreement and solidarity.

            Interview a bunch of conservatives individually and ask them basic questions about how their espoused values connect with real world policies, actions and circumstances and if you ask about ANYTHING that isn’t the hot topic right now to hate on in conservative circles you will get a random mix of complete and utter amateur speculation and shockingly silly re-imaginings of things that already exist because of problems that have already been solved (i.e. libertarians).

            Interview a bunch of leftist individually and do the same thing and you will get basically the same damn answers every time on the important stuff.

            Is healthcare a human right?

            Yes

            Does everybody deserve to earn a living wage?

            Yes

            Are all people created equal and worthy of empathy?

            Yes

            Does everybody deserve housing and the ability to live in a decent living situation?

            Yes

            Is climate change real and are humans driving it?

            Yes

            Do you believe in the seperation of church and state?

            Yes…?

            Do you condone any form of racism?

            Emphatically no, never. I am an anti-racist which means also resisting structural racism not just overt racism

            Are you a feminist?

            Fuck off, why are you condescending me, of course I am

            Is disability a weakness?

            No, blind worship of strength is

            OF COURSE there are exceptions, but by and large do this to leftists and you will get a consistent expression of leftist ideology throughout their beliefs that agrees at a basic level (especially among younger folks) with almost every other leftist you interview, with massive exceptions in the details of course…

            There are annoying and bad and toxic people on the left, yes, but let us remember we are much more effective at ensuring we are interacting on a basis of shared values, and we are much louder and much more annoying when people violate those basic values.

            • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
              1·
              1 hour ago

              It is our vibrant arguments, passionate disagreements and loud messy divisions and categories that keep leftism from becoming an echo chamber, as you nod towards in putting it in parentheses.

              Yes, I could have been more direct there absolutely. Left-wing discussions cannot become echo chambers because there’s nothing to echo other than ‘help people.’ I’m in a workers assembly, and we constantly disagree on how to make major change. We do all of it, however, while handing out gloves, socks, and toques to the unhoused. We do it while making survival packs with menstrual pads in them for unhoused women. We do it while marching in solidarity with striking workers.

              I have never, ever seen a single ‘centrist’ join us in any of these things. No right-wingers, no Centrists, just Marxists, Anarcha-Feminists, Socialists, hell even a tankie once.

              The issue we have is that, especially since the 80’s, ‘centrists’ (with the directions of the Right-wing) have tried to make it seem like there’s something ‘extreme’ about the Left-wing. Like there’s some sort of thing to fear, some sort of spooky hidden agenda. The reality is that they can pretend the Soviet government and it’s progroms or the CCP and it’s Uyghur massacre are somehow ‘left-wing,’ and not authoritarian and conservative. Wanting to ‘keep things as they are/have in and out groups’ is a core tenet of Conservatism, which is right-wing. The reality on the left is all of our infighting is about the hows and not the whats. Any infighting the Right has is about the what’s and not the hows. They don’t care how they pay less in taxes, they want to pay less in taxes. They don’t care how they get their religion made into law, just that it happens. They don’t care who gets deported, so long as it’s not them and ‘gets it done.’ They are complete and total amorality, with a singular objective of more for themselves.

              Our issue on the left is one of organization (which, as part of an assembly, I have seen live quite a lot) and choosing a path forward. We all know we want to protect 2SLGBTQIA+ people. We all know we want to protect women, children, the unhoused. Do we work with the government, like the Social Democrats want? Do we burn it all down, and rebuild smaller communities, like the Anarchists want? Do we simply reject capitalism, build our communes, and work together there?

              Unfortunately right now those are objectives in the far future. We need to survive to that point, and right now, we’re losing. The left in the US hasn’t been something a government would fear to cross since the 70’s. If it should rise up, if it should finally admit that violence is going to happen whether we want it or not, and we have to meet it with violence in return, then we will see change. If Americans follow this guide and make it impossible for Trumps fascist regime to do what they want, then we have a chance. Yet if they don’t, the rest of the world is in for an extremely bad time. We tried voting, we tried peaceful marching, we tried peaceful protests, we tried begging, pleading with them. Our children begged us to stop killing the planet and their very futures, and we refused. The social contract was broken.

              What will you do, America? Will you watch yourselves go through what Germany did in the 1930’s, on the back of a climate that is going to absolutely be hell for our children, and their children? When do you stand up and refuse to watch? When do you stand up, and do offline what you do online?

              I want so very much to believe you’ll fight.

              I am so sad that many of us will have to die defending people who can’t defend themselves, or shouldn’t have to. I plan to die that way, whether taking a bullet for a young girl protesting for her bodily autonomy, a beating meant for an unhoused person who just wants to survive, or a baton meant for a young man in transition who just wants to be left alone. I love you all. <3

              • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
                1·
                16 minutes ago

                If Americans follow this guide

                …did you get that from Pig Bodine?

                Our issue on the left is one of organization (which, as part of an assembly, I have seen live quite a lot) and choosing a path forward. We all know we want to protect 2SLGBTQIA+ people. We all know we want to protect women, children, the unhoused. Do we work with the government, like the Social Democrats want? Do we burn it all down, and rebuild smaller communities, like the Anarchists want? Do we simply reject capitalism, build our communes, and work together there?

                The answer to all of the above is yes I said yes I will Yes.

  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz
    821·
    8 hours ago

    Hey it isn’t nice to beat up people who only want to seriously hurt and maim you, your family and your friends.

  • Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee
    92·
    5 hours ago

    Chances are, fediverse will end up with right wing instances that only communicate with themselves and maybe some centrists, left wing will only communicate with themselves and maybe some centrists, centrists will see all

    • gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
      7·
      2 hours ago

      centrists will see all

      I dunno, has this ever actually happened? I think centrists almost universally end up backing the right-wing. Hell, the Centrists were vital in the Nazi’s coming to power, and it literally would not have happened without them.

      And the ‘left wing’ is going to be a fractured bunch that overlap slightly, yet Social Democrats, Marxists, Anarcha-Feminists, these ‘left wing’ groups have vastly different ideas of the best way to help everyone, and I don’t see Centrists asking the Anarchists what’s up. Centrists are how we got neo-Liberalism, and ‘well we can’t BAN abortion… but we can limit it unless the woman is…’ They want an ‘inbetween’ in an era when fascists have taken over the most powerful country in the world, with the open backing of fascists/authoritarians in other nations. What’s the centrist response to concentration camps in Guantanamo Bay? What sort of chat will happen between Centrists and the Right-Wing with banning abortion? How about the rights of people transitioning? Because from what I’m seeing, they seem awfully okay with it.