One can make an argument that this belongs in technology, but as I’m using the same roads as these cars, it feels like a wider concern.

Austin suddenly has a shedload of Waymos driving about, as of a month or two ago – to the point that I can bus it to HEB and have two consecutive Waymos beside us at a red light.

It’s a trip to watch a car drive past with zero people inside.

No one here – at least in the circles I run in (which excludes techbros) – likes that Tesla is running a beta with wildly obvious safety issues on roads our tax dollars pay for.

“Well, we couldn’t nail autonomous driving for over a decade, so let’s set about making what we do have into a taxi service” may please shareholders, but it’s our lives they’re putting at risk.

And there’s a strong whiff of “demand has fallen off a cliff, so we have to do something with all these cars.”

/soapbox

These days, Austin, Texas feels like ground zero for autonomous cars. Although California was the early test bed for autonomous driving tech, the much more permissive regulatory environment in the Lone Star State, plus lots of wide, straight roads and mostly good weather, ticked enough boxes to see companies like Waymo and Zoox set up shop there. And earlier this summer, Tesla added itself to the list. Except things haven’t exactly gone well.

According to Tesla’s crash reports, spotted by Brad Templeton over at Forbes, the automaker experienced not one but three crashes, all apparently on its first day of testing on July 1. And as we learned from Tesla CEO Elon Musk later in July during the (not-great) quarterly earnings call, by that time, Tesla had logged a mere 7,000 miles in testing.

By contrast, Waymo’s crash rate is more than two orders of magnitude lower, with 60 crashes logged over 50 million miles of driving. (Waymo has now logged more than 96 million miles.)

Two of the three Tesla crashes involved another car rear-ending the Model Y, and at least one of these crashes was almost certainly not the Tesla’s fault. But the third crash saw a Model Y—with the required safety operator on board—collide with a stationary object at low speed, resulting in a minor injury. Templeton also notes that there was a fourth crash that occurred in a parking lot and therefore wasn’t reported. Sadly, most of the details in the crash reports have been redacted by Tesla.

Quelle surprise.

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    Three crashes in the first day

    So basically it’s no worse than human Tesla drivers.

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    Even waymo’s “good” numbers, which probably have been massaged a bit, from cars driving in carefully selected conditions, is nearly 2.5 times the rate of accidents per mile driven of fatal and non-fatal accidents in the US.

    The technology isn’t ready yet and shouldn’t be on the roads. If it takes it being on the roads to improve it, then maybe it shouldn’t improve, maybe it should be abandoned and the money being wasted on it should go to extant, proven solutions.

    The fact that Amtrak and local public transit authorities are struggling to secure funding to maintain and expand operations while self driving car companies burn cash for decades on nothing burgers drives me crazy.

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      Zero percent chance of improved rail service under this administration.

      And at least locally, people find public transit to be for the poor, just spreading the homeless around town. We’re supposedly a liberal city, but several projects have been voted down.