A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
Shit like this is why whenever companies say they’re “customer focused” I say they’re full of shit.
No one wants this but M$ has so much investment tied into this that they need to make people want this.
Oh, they’re customer focused, alright: focused on scraping customer data via the installed OS to feed to their AI and then aggregate for sale to other data brokers and/or interested governments.
Further comments may have been disabled, but a number of them are still up and are highly entertaining:
https://xcancel.com/pavandavuluri/status/1987942909635854336
“Linux and Mac are toxic this year”
Wat. Toxic how? Why this year?
The thing is, they all invested so much into Ai now so they have to use it everywhere even when people dont want it… :)
Its going to wreck the reputation of windows even more…
Here’s the thing - the same thing that Microsoft is being roasted for saying they’re going to implement is the thing that Apple are being roasted for not having implemented yet. The difference is -rightly or wrongly- people trust Apple in a way that they simply don’t Microsoft.
Apple zealots trust apple. The rest of us don’t give a rat’s ass what Apple does.
Their stance on default privacy and sticking a finger to law enforcement is leagues above both Microsoft and Google/Android. So far at least.
You are correct… yet it is so sad that a modicum of respect for their clients is held up as if Apple self immolated out of principle… the bar is THAT low
and sticking a finger to law enforcement
No. They are just doing it differently - they have proprietary p2p networks and such doing obscure shit. They are similar to Telegram in that. Good to their users as much as they need that to maintain balance of interests.
Is it the Multipeer Connectivity you’re talking about? I’ve never heard of it before. It does seem like something that could be used to track users.
At this point if you don’t want a custom built or Linux PC, I see apple as the corporate gold standard. Windows is a glued together heap of slow trash for a while now. So many bugs, removed features, and lots of other crap. Macos just works, it’s a lot cleaner and more integrated.
Corporations need centralized governance that active directory provides.
There are other ways.
This is why I’m glad PCs aren’t locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet.
Yet. Some exec at Microsoft is thinking “the problem is that PCs aren’t locked down like phones and there’s nothing stopping you from running an alt OS on the desktop yet.” If they can’t force everyone to use their AI crap they’ll lobby the US Government and give Donald Trump some fake award, and before you know it desktop Linux will be a crime just like fixing your own tractor is a crime.
GabeCube runs Linux. There are multiple manufacturers making Linux PCs.
Laptop manufacturers usually have it as a customization option, drops the price without a windows license too
My next laptop is going to have Linux on it or I’ll get a MacBook (would be nice if you could get Linux running on the latest Apple silicon).
I wonder if no one is left at Microsoft that knows enough about the core systems to actually improve those… So the best they can do is throw more shit on top
I have a brilliant friend who works there. However, only projects that integrate AI are really getting approved.
They have 93% of the market, they don’t care about people who use Windows.
93%? Where? Mac isn’t that low and Linux has been at least 6% and upwards
And it’ll work half good in English but be completely crap in any other language.
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
I wonder if they’re asking their AI.
Well yes, that data source is called stockholders. They eed to ride the hype. Honestly they really don’t have much choice. Either make the users happy or the stockholders. They can’t do both, it’s impossible at this stage. Want to guess which side wins?
That doesn’t make sense it’s just mindless anti capitalist sentiment which is fun and all but it isn’t getting us anywhere.
Yup. Got two days off, and I’m going Linux. If i can actually replace windows for what I need, then it looks like i just freed up some space on my nvme.
I’m jealous. There are a handful of windows-only pieces of software that I need, unfortunately.
Winboat could be stopgap measure until you no longer need that software
I’ll check it out :)
Backlash is actually losing business, what they are really getting is a lot of whining from people who never do anything anyway.
It was the same with Windows 95, XP, then Vista, then 8 and 10 and now 11.
Very few who are used to Windows will abandon it just because it’s becoming a surveillance hellscape of forced updates, advertising and other annoyances.
Microsoft is posting record profits on their way down, just like Intel did 10 years ago.
That said Microsoft is still in a better position, and while Windows may lose relevancy, Microsoft has way more revenue coming from other sources than Intel had without X86.As long as windows is installed by default on hardware, it’s hard to move the needle. A huge majority don’t want the headache of switching.
But, that pie is slowly being chipped away as options are available.
It actually wouldn’t surprise me to learn that most Windows installs nowadays aren’t pre-installs but rather images deployed from a corporate IT department.
In some ways the biggest danger for Windows in the home market isn’t Linux or Mac but the people who decide they’ll just use their phone or tablet for everything. Then again, I’m not sure if Microsoft even cares about the home market.
Thing is, this agentic stuff… if it isn’t aimed at home users, who is it aimed at? Because it’s not compliant with any of the security programs IT departments are required to comply with.
My company just ditched Acrobat due to all the AI crap being shoved into it.
Windows will be the default until suddenly it isn’t. Valve is doing amazing at destroying the core of Microsoft’s support. This story would be different if this was a decade ago, but these days most average people do their computing on phones and tablets. The ones sticking to traditional PCs are mostly gamers and now more than ever Linux is a viable alternative to Windows. Vanishingly few games can’t be played perfectly fine on Linux. Once enough gamers are using Linux it will become the default choice, and once it’s the default choice for gamers it will become the default choice for most people, at least the ones not on phones and tablets.
You say that, yet Mac and Linux grew quite a bit over the past couple years. It’s true, not everyone will drop Windows right after whatever bullshit they announce, but software and platforms are rarely abandonned over night.
Doesn’t matter much what users do. Corporations are nowhere close to ditching Windows.
No way to manage a fleet of Linux or Mac machines. Nothing comes close to the power of Active Directory and a bit of PowerShell.
Funny enough, I guarantee there will be GPOs and PS commandlets that let you disable the AI bullshit.
EDIT: Apparently I’m addressing a crowd who has never managed a fleet. I’ll bow to your expertise.
You can totally manage a fleet of Linux devices. Next to all servers run Linux. How the hell would you do that without appropriate tooling? We use Ansible for example - Which certainly isn’t a perfect solution, but a working one.
A buddy of mine works for a fortune 500 company that started giving out MacBooks as the standard hardware this year. Apparently you need to jump through a bunch of hoops if you want to run Windows. I was shocked to hear it but Microsoft deserves to be humbled.
Corporations haven’t ditched windows because Active Directory and Group Policy had no equal. Now that Microsoft has slowly pushed everybody to cloud based identity, there’s really nothing stopping you from using something other than AD or even Entra ID
Identity management is only one aspect of AD. Very telling that all these rebuttals are thinking only in terms of what LDAP can handle.
Are you commenting from the year 2007?
That or they have a large stake in microsoft.
No, 2025.
GPOs may be replaced with InTune, but the importance is still the same.
What importance exactly? Besides identity and policy… what does it do better than some third party software at this point?
A lot of servers run Linux. With VDI being more plausible the idea of giving laptops that are basically a “zero” has been floated.
Last time I was in work it was in a secure environment so maybe that’s not widespread.
I’ve seen a lot of companies that are all mac. And didnt a European government just change to all linux ?
My last company was a software dev and even they were only 70/40 Windows/Mac.
Yes, seems lots of European agencies are moving to FOSS, but more towards open office solutions. Moving to Linux for the OS makes fleet management pure hell. I know LDAP exists, but that doesn’t begin to compare to AD.
You do know you can use AD with Linux, don’t you?
I would love an explanation of how AD can control Linux machines! Can I reset you Linux password over AD? Can I lock you out of using removable media? How the hell do GPOs work?!
AD isn’t simply authentication, grouping computers and users. LDAP does all that.
Please tell us the name of this 110% software dev, so we can avoid it. There is a min amount of math needed here.
Made a typo smartass, and you know it. 70/30.
Now tell us all how smart you really are. Tell us how to manage a fleet of Linux or Mac machines, or even a mixed environment. One reason I passed an interview was with this very question! Go.
I don’t work in the industry anymore, but I did manage a few “fleets” in my day. However I do know that if I made such a typo (on the literal only data point) I would also be poked fun of when I did work in the terrible tech world. And if I lashed out I would be further dragged over the coals as let’s face it, that would be kinda pathetic.
I feel like AD is a solution for a problem that Microsoft created.
It is a solution for a problem that companies had and isn’t solved in Linux.
Because Linux users think all computers need to be as open as possible, while Windows admins know we need to protect users from themselves. Especially when it comes to highly important data.
Even letting users install software themselves leads to users installing wrong version, malware, software they don’t need, software they shouldn’t use, incompatible software, and software they have no clue about but someone recommended.
The most vulnerable aspect of cybersecurity is still the users.
Ill be honest. I never expected to leave windows but here i am doing my homework on Linux.
Its quite late now to learn Linux but its never too late.
Its been my only desktop for like 15 years.
I didn’t think I’d care enough to leave Windows but I’ve been on Linux for six? months now.
Welcome to the 1%. 😋
Yes there are some that switch, and also kudos to those who try, even when they find it’s not for them.
I’m just sad that the problems with Windows isn’t enough for more to abandon it? I simply don’t get “normal” people.
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there’s another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁
I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.
Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don’t want your changes and updates and new feature.
Excel 97 was perfect. Now I can barely find the shit I actually need to use because of all the “features” they’ve added to justify their jobs.
It’s about keeping us guessing and reminding us who’s in charge.
They don’t want us to get attached to things.
That’s one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that’s good at what it does.
When it comes to any tech company’s product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.
Honestly it’s like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.
While this is true, designers are constatnly beholden to management (much like programmers are), so while designers would love to create a nice looking usable application, they end up having to go with the mockups that management requested which are of course a worse experience for the end-user.
It’s really sad.
i feel like a lot of useless bullshit wouldn’t be made if managers and execs didn’t feel the need to validate their useless existence.
Oh I’m well aware, that’s why I threw in the part about needing to be utilized. Because even if the engineers are good with their finished product, some VP will eventually ask their director why the team’s output has dropped or why they have so many people for so little work.
I’m an engineer working on a new product right now. Fortunately we’re a small outfit with niche customers.
In FOSS world, this is only as true for the subset of developers (including both programmers and designers) that are contributing code as their job duties. Additionally that effect is only prominent in projects that are dominated by one organization. Both those things do happen, but there’s also numerous exceptions, too.
Some developers are paid to write unrelated proprietary code and the developer also contributes to open source on their free time. Some projects have so many corporate contributors that none of them can single-handedly direct the development.
Oh, sorry, I wasn’t referencing the FOSS world with my comment. I was responding to the tech company’s part.
My comment was specifically about designers working for companies, with management forcing them to design things in a way that they would rather not.
It’s kind of less about designers having to justify their existence (although, yes, there are far more often entire re-designs that seem like nothing else about this) and more about them being forced to create designs that management want, rather than what end-users want.
That’s what my comment was about.
I mean, then you’re describing bog-standard capitalistic exploitation, and it’s not exclusive to designers.
Sure yeah, my comment originally mentioned designers and developers, but I was too tired to remember that in my follow-up comment.
It’s hard to be extremely detailed and also remember every single detail of what I was mentioning as well.
Yeah, at least fix the bugs first.
Windows has had a bug that’s driven me mad since before Windows 10 and it doesn’t seem they have any intentention to fix it.
When I try to rename files, I always click somewhere in the text of the name or highlight a specific portion, and then 90% of the time RIGHT before I start typing to add or change the name, it randomly highlights the entire thing so the whole text gets replaced instead of the one section I wanted to change.
INFURIATING and it’s been years that it’s happened, between two different versions of Windows!
There’s also another 2 or 3 other bugs that are just as infuriating but I don’t imagine will ever be fixed or changed because why the fuck would microsoft care.
They have to because the capitalist imperative of infinite, progressive growth forces them to constantly seek out additional speculative avenues for profit. The potential for a valuable product (stock) is more valuable than a good product and is cheaper to produce than a good product.
It is important to note that you are also a product in a surveillance capitalist state thaf commodifies every second of your day. The speculative value on more profitable avenues to source and sell your data has more speculative value than anything your patronage would generate.
I wiped my Windows SSD after over half a year of not booting into it at all. I do not miss it, but I do greatly appreciate a larger /home partition spanning an entire 1 TB SSD (for reasons of buying at various times for projects that didn’t need a lot of storage, I have 3 1 TB SSDs lol). Now to figure out how to enlarge the / partition with btrfs.
Wouldn’t it be easier to clone your partition to another SSD but have it already be the full SSD size? I remember looking into something like that and cloning looked easier, but I was looking through the windows side, Linux probably has various ways to do it
I moved the home directory to the empty SSD, but still needed to resize the root partition in place. Wasn’t difficult actually, but for some reason it errored on me the first time, the second time I could just do it in place without even rebooting.
Look at this guy using btrfs like a normal chump. Real men yolo XFS with no backup and spam duperemove for the 10% faster performance.
Now to run xfs_repair real quick after my power outage…
Good idea. Haven’t booted mine in years either.
Btrfs makes it really easy to enlarge a partition. You don’t even have to reboot.
What? Nobody wants it? Let’s rush it out to users then. — Microsoft
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
