synology also did this recently. shit should be illegal.
that was the final straw for me to switch NAS vendors when I next upgrade.
What would you recommend instead? I’m about to get one.
Minisforum, beelink, aoostar and many others all make much more competitive offerings.
No in house NAS OS, but tbh I recommend just taking the plunge to learn how to install your own OS, like Linux.
I haven’t settled on anything yet. I basically just want something off-the-shelf which I can run containers on and has good version of Synology Drive. But I just migrated from Windows to Linux, and am finding this to be a sticking point. Synology Drive is available on Linux without on-demand sync. QNap supports QSync on Linux but only for Ubuntu, and it seems like manually unpacking the dev file and installing doesn’t work with latest versions. Running NextCloud on QNap might be an option.
What should be illegal is patents like this!
From the article:
Last year, NAS company Synology announced that it was ending support for HEVC, as well as H.264/AVC and VCI, transcoding on its DiskStation Manager and BeeStation OS platforms, saying that “support for video codecs is widespread on end devices, such as smartphones, tablets, computers, and smart TVs.”
Well, not anymore lol.
Let me get this straight - people buy a product advertised as having a feature, containing a part also advertised as having that feature, and then they disable it after purchase?
How is that legal?
No, they disable it before purchase, existing laptops still have the feature. Only the newer ones so they won’t have to pay the royalties from next year. But still an anti consumer move as nobody will notice until it’s too late for a refund. Normal people will never understand why their $200 phone can smoothly play h265 videos while their $1500 laptop is struggling with that. Everyone will assume that because hardware support is included in the cheapest processors from even a decade ago, it will still be present in the latest and greatest laptops from hp
Americans have no consumer protections.
Why would they when capitalists are more important than the consumers.
Line must go up, even if it’s a lie.
NVIDIA said line must go circle, which their CEO says means up.
a circle…like the ryzen logo. AMD! This goes deeper than we thought!
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So, yeah, HP and Dell are fucked - by what you may ask? Why, AI of course, because it’s hiked memory prices so far up it’s eating up their profit margins. They might be doomed.
They are disabling it because the license cost went up 4 cents? Just pass that cost onto the customer. Even if they mark that up several times, I would rather pay that than have my battery drained because I have to software decode a video.
There is still a lot of H.265 content out there. I have many terabytes of it that I don’t want to transcode.
https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NMZLZ57R3T7
You can still buy it yourself. It’s only $1.
Not in this case, this is the codec, but still, because it’s blocked in acpi, there’s no way to enable it again in Windows, even if you pay that dollar. Workaround: install Linux
blocked in acpi
install Linux
Huh? How could Linux solve an ACPI problem?
it ignores that and uses it anyway (according to the comments on the article, i did not test this)
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“license cost” is a stupid problem to have in the first place. adopt a foss standard, why won’t this get through to these thick skulled morons.
Well, hevc already is a standard. It’s too late now. AV1 will need some time until it’s widely adopted.
Anyone has a list of the Dell laptops? I have a Latitude 7350 Detachable with an intel core ultra 164U. I think I might be affected…but then again, I have it running KDE neon, so not sure if this is disabled at hardware level or if it will work on a different OS.
Dumb of HP and Dell to not eat the cost. Just in the future never support VVC. HEVC is well enough a thing already. Push defaults to be AV1 and then in like 5-7 years, AV2. I use AV1 for everything I can. Computer supports it. My phone does not but edits I do on my PC will be encoded to AV1. Photos, support JPEG-XL but in the interim, AVIF. Screw apple for going with HEIC. I highly doubt that there will be a successor to UHD Blu-Rays to adopt VVC. No big reason to jump to 8k. Only good would be higher bitrates/better compression and audio.
Films are mostly recorded digitally with 4k-6k cameras or a limited amount of 35mm still going on that scans well to around 4k. 8K digital cinema cameras are becoming more common but the 4k-6k ones are dominant and 70mm is expensive and uncommon. Plus significant digital effects are prevalent on even low action movies, non-sci-fi. Those are still going to have been mostly done and mastered for 4k. Another round of remastering required for 8k content where digital or 70mm film masters exists. Dinosaur broadcasters may choose VVC the shrinking world population watching dinosaur broadcasters. AV1 is increasingly the present and AV2 will be the future. VVC will be end of line because of short sighted greed
increasing from $0.20 each to $0.24 each in the United States. To put that into perspective, in Q3 2025, HP sold 15,002,000 laptops and desktops
“This is pretty ridiculous, given these systems are $800+ a machine
I wonder how long the list of these fees for one machine is
That’s about a $600,000 savings for that quarter, for a company that reported $13.9 billion in revenue for Q3 2025.
It would be cruel of us to ask them to only have $13,899,400,000 in revenue that quarter instead of $13,900,000,000
Revenue wouldn’t change from this, only expenses and profit.
Yeah, I was just riffing from the other post but you’re right, that’s not how that works.
Fair enough
Someone was a doing a lot of hard work subtracting big scary numbers in their budget sheet.
I wonder what they spent paying people to implement and communicate this change.
At 600k for a company that size this cost them more money than just paying the extra 4 cents.
Yes this is absolutely ridiculous.
This is also a good reason to avoid proprietary codecs. H.265 may be a great codec, but the licensing fees are basically a tax on the world.
The best solution would be an overall switch to AV1. But silicon support for that is not nearly as widespread.
Yeah that’s going to change fucking fast. My game streaming service I build from older parts to cut costs has 1 shiney modern part because of AV1. Just AV1. Nothing else influenced the purchase of that part.
And there is no way a big company made that part just for me.
Yeah but look at the AV1 hardware support matrix. A lot of current mobile silicon supports decode, not nearly as much supports encode. To have AV1 truly replace MP4/MP5 a hardware encode is necessary so you can do video calls in AV1.
The one who could really make this happen is Apple. If they decided to move away from MPEG-LA and embraced open codecs (AV1 / VP9 / Opus / FLAC / AVIF / JPEGXL / JPEG2000), supporting them in software, hardware, and their services (imessage/ichat/facetime, music store, video store) that would single handedly push the industry.
They did that with HEIC- before iPhones switched to HEIC by default nobody bothered with the encumbered format. Now it’s become de facto standard. That SHOULD have been something open like AVIF, JPEG XL, etc.
HEIC is hated because nobody knows what to do with it. Apple devices use it. That’s it.
Nobody knows what to do with it because it’s proprietary and requires a license. If it was not encumbered, windows would ship with a decoder built-in for free and nobody would have a problem. If Apple devices didn’t use it by default, no one would have a problem because they just wouldn’t use it for anything ever.
If Apple got sick of paying the fee, they could switch to AVIF or JPEG XL or anything else. It wouldn’t be hard, just bake native support into the next OS of everything, and have the next iPhone take pictures in that format by default. The rest of the world will catch up right quick.
Actually come to think of it I’m kind of surprised Google doesn’t do that. Make the native Android camera shoot in AVIF by default…
Google does all the same evil shit apple does and nerfs it just enough to spin a good image. They are not your friend.
Never said they were my friend. They might have been once, in the ‘Don’t be evil’ era, but that era is long past.
They are however somewhat more interested in open standards than Apple. Android for example uses OGG a bunch under the hood.
i use x265 for EVERYTHING. i had no clue about this.
fuck.
webm? lol
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No need for AI summary, I found this in two seconds as a web search.
https://getstream.io/glossary/video-codecs/
At any rate, it looks like the AI was pretty accurate this time. Cheers!
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In this context they think they have found ‘another’ troll. They are a troll. Trying to troll me in another thread. Takes anyone who has a negative opinion of something they post and calls them a troll. Forgot to log into the correct account when they posted a wall of links at me for calling their alts accounts link to a cpu hog news site trash.
Oh.
That’s pathetic.
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I love how to never answered what GPU you had 🤣
AV1
webm is a container, not a codec
Even if you hit that blocker, you can still software-decode with [alternative] software.
i clearly need to educate myself
Did you do it yet
yep, learned quite a bit about how to pirate more effectively, and how to use av1.
How is this done? Can you just re-enable the feature in the BIOS? And what about machines sold outside the US?
Kinda makes me even more glad I’ve been migrating all my stuff over to AV1/OPUS.
So in this case, even if your hardware was impacted by this, if you tried to play a H.265 (HEVC) file within Windows, it would play, but will software encode / decode. What if you are playing something through a client like VLC or Jellyfin Media Player? Prior to this change, would Jellyfin report Direct Playing (using iGPU) and now it will be forced to transcode on the server side, and VLC would still use the CPU for encoding and decoding, since there is no server to do it for you?
“Direct playing” just means the source file is entirely compatible with the client device and doesn’t require any transcoding/re-encoding by the server, it doesn’t really tell you whether the client is using software or hardware decoding to play it. I’m guessing it’s probable that a Jellyfin server could still report “direct playing” even if the client is using software decoding to play it. However, if the client device is something like a smart TV or something with a more locked down OS, and the maintainer/manufacturer removes support for a codec from that device, you may show more transcoding action on your server for things that previously just direct played because smart devices like that may not have support for software decoding, or may not have the horsepower to try even if they still have the codecs installed.
Make sure to use “disable phase inversion” for Opus if you want good quality in mono. I’m suprised this isn’t set by default.
I just set it to downmix to mono in Handbrake and it’s been alright. I’ll definitely do some reading/comparing to see what this setting is all about though.
I don’t for a second believe this is about the rising cost. It raised by $0.04. Someone below said that works out to a savings of $600,000.
Alright, but for an individual, it’s $0.04.
Just increase the final price by $0.25. You made back your $600,000. Plus whatever $0.21 would equate to as GAINS.
Fuck guys. You suck at business. This is what happens when companies replace their CEO with AI.
The real key is buried in the middle, where they say hardware decode capabilities are going to be restricted to models with discrete GPUs… Meaning they can make a $500 upsell mandatory for the most basic of capabilities.
Both HP and Dell are partnered with Microsoft, and have been for decades. Isn’t a discrete GPU one of the things required for Microsoft Recall ready machines?
There’s NO way they broke HEVC just for 4¢. Something else is paying them a lot more, and Recall would be one of those things.
Nah, that’s an NPU.
I shoulda looked it up, lol. Thanks for the correction.
The HP 16" EliteBook 665 G11 Notebook costs $1500. That means this $600k “cost cutting” measure starts to decrease revenue if only 400 people buy a laptop from a different brand.
Or even a single person. Someone tasked to purchase 400 laptops for a company, reads this news and decides to get ThinkPads instead…
Sell the CEO private jet if they really need the money
Can’t current CPUs decode it in real time?
Yeah, because of the ASICs built into them to enable that decoding.
Without that, a 4K HEVC video is in upwards of 100+ billion operations/s to decode on the CPU. Which limits you to high end CPUs getting capped out on something you essentially get for “free” otherwise
I meant without dedicated circuits, obviously. Can’t it be parallelised? Many cpus have a lot of relatively idle cores at a given time…
I remember that my 486 had trouble with mp3 files, but soon enough, I got a new machine with many more spare cycles.
That is parallelized… I didn’t make mention of threading being the concern here.
The 100+ billion operations per second isn’t exactly easy.
4k 60fps = 498 million pixels per second
Each pixel takes a couple hundred logical operations with HEVC.
A modern high end 4GHz, 8 physical core CPU at 4 instructions per cycle, at maximum capacity, can handle 128 billion operations per second.
You probably wouldn’t even get your realtime framerate in this scenario.
Is that a hardware or software issue? I.e. is it caused by the windows driver for these laptops’ graphic units?
Does HEVC work with the Linux drivers on these machines?
No, it’s a licensing issue. H.265 hardware support requires an ongoing license. And HP+Dell don’t want to continue paying licensing fees for PCs they have already sold. So they’re telling customers “get fucked, use a media player with software decoding instead of using hardware acceleration directly in your browser.”
What is your source for it needing constant renewal?
This is for new hardware sales only, not existing.?
This doesn’t answer the Linux part of the question.
What does “licensing issue” means for the laptop itself? Is HEVC disabled at BIOS/firmware level, or it is just disabled at Windows driver level?
In the latter case, HEVC should work with Linux, as it uses generic Intel/AMD drivers, instead of specific Dell/HP ones.
It’s enabled at the hardware level only if the hevc license is paid, usually by the OEM (such as dell or hp).
He’s usually right.
*On software. For the love of god don’t follow his ideas on consent, child sex, or bestiality.
Ugh, there’s a Google search I’m happy not to do.
Don’t bother. It’s shit taken out of context and overblown. Guy is a massive autist and he made some statements regarding freedom. Since then he corrected most of his statements that caused controversy with more empathy. All this without ever blaming it on his autism.
Can you explain how his ideas on consent, child sex, or bestiality are just “some statements regarding freedom.”
I sense a lot of cult ideology with your take, similar to how how magats defend every horrible thing orange turd says.
“hE’s jUsT tRoLliNg yOu lIbTaRds”
Everyone can walk back on statements that causes them bad press, it’s how he thought those things were okay in the first place, the problem.
He is autistic, it causes commincation issues.
Everyone is susceptible this, you for example with how the previous comment said it’s from autistism and you failed to process this.
Or plants. Or whether you should shout at people. Or sort of the concept of women.
Or eating toe funk
Just wait.
For the love of god don’t follow his ideas on consent, child sex, or bestiality.
Or eating habits
Our hero.
Never meet your heroes. Speaking from very literal experience regarding Stallman.
