Yeah because outside of America there are no criminals, there is no crime, it’s just a complete paradise in the whole of the world, there’s no CJNG, CDS Los Zetas, Boko Haram, Vodou killing almost 200 elderly because "witchcraft,” none of that; there’s no countries with Sharia law that still stone women to death for being raped, noooo, and all those women’s trials totally have lawyers and are totally fair.
C’mon lmao. I don’t like Maga idiots either but they’re far from the only criminals in the world.
Yeah everywhere has criminals but it’s not picking people at random from other countries.
The type of people who want to migrate somewhere usually do not want to stir up trouble in their new home.
Yeah there’s nothing like MS-13, Sur 13 (Sureños), Cartel De Gulfo, Latin Kings, Nuestra Familia, Norteños, White Fence, Serbian Mafia, Russian Mafia, Italian Mafia (I think they’re done now due to RICO but still), Armenian Power, Tren de Aragua, Sun Yee On, 14k, Wo Hop To, Foochow Paul’s Green Dragons, Ping On, Ghost Shadows, Flying Dragons, Wah Ching, Black Dragons…
And I guess that the meme is also assuming the local gangs like Crips, Bloods, Piru, GDs and BDs, O Block, FYB, etc are all Trump supporters, which, I mean, wanna bet? I’ve got $10 right now that says they aren’t. Shouldn’t even be too hard to find out just make VladTV ask them.
(Side note, Asain gangs have the coolest names by far. And yes I’ve read/watched a lot about gangs, it’s actually pretty interesting stuff despite being, y’know, bad and whatnot.)
They’re not saying immigrants never commit crimes, but that they commit them at much lower rates than us born citizens.
If you’re trying to reduce crime, the effective thing to do is target where it actually is rather than scrounging for crumbs where you would like it to be.
She’s kidding herself if she thinks immigrants have more respect for women but it’s a nice thought
There’s definitely countries that treat their women better than the average American.
Are they the countries that need to emmigrate for a better life?
Depends on the individuals personal circumstances doesn’t it
Which is why I doubt it
People from the UK emigrate to the likes of the US and Canada regularly and vice versa. What do you think about them?
Invariably shitty or decent people nonetheless
Someone hasn’t looked at crime statistics at any point in their life.
I’m sure the poster pulled these numbers out of their ass. I wonder what the real numbers would be.
It’s guaranteed that replacing MAGA people with the same kind of immigrants we have today would reduce crime, but how much?
Yeah, that’s my reaction too. I’m guessing over 50% is likely true. The immigrants that make it here in the vast majority of cases is literally because they were hard workers and they came to work. Vs these violent racist shitbags who support trump.
It’s almost impossible to say without really breaking down policing and crime rates by granular particulars that I’m not sure we really track with accuracy, as the US’s crime tracking is massively skewed because of things like over-policing, redlining/segregation remnants (an actual nazi on Lemmy actually pulled the 13/50 argument with me today) and of course under-reporting some crimes and over-reporting other crimes. Basically, our criminal justice system is so fucked in America that we can’t trust stats… so yeah, OP’s image might as well just make numbers up, it’s not like we have highly trustworth alternatives.
As for actual numbers, I did find this report from 2023 that seems somewhat reliable, it massively points to white families as the number one perpetrator in crimes against children in the US. (these stats include neglect, which is why women have a higher percentage of perpetration than men.)
Rates of just immigrant criminality have been studied, and as most of us know, it’s been shown that immigrants commit far less crime than native populations, and are about 60% less likely to be incarcerated for criminal behavior.
It doesn’t help that for a lot of minority communities, crimes against children and domestic issues often just go unreported.
I think that’s most communities, minority or not. Stats of those nature are wildly underreported in general.
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Find some actual numbers then.
It takes no time to make up some bullshit numbers. If every time you come across some obviously bullshit numbers, you have to do all of the research that the bullshitter didn’t do, you wouldn’t have any time for anything else, and it wouldn’t do any good, anyways. You’re proposing a completely dominated and losing strategy.
agreed, honestly what I would really like someone to do if they are able, get a large enough sample size of ice enforcers names and run background checks. So we can demonstrate side by side the percentage of people with histories of violent offences and property crimes, next to the low percentage of illegal immigrants going out. On a practical level it’s obvious how it will pan out, but posting things with “trust me bro”.
Yes, this is the sort of insanity some of the dumbest people left-of-center seem to genuinely believe. Or perhaps this is the sort of insanity that sock puppet bots from Russia are spreading to make them look bad.
Don’t be like them if you want to make it more probable that your side wins.
No one actually believes this, they just say it on the internet and it gets upvoted.
I might have blocked her at this point - I used to see Annie’s posts constantly. She’s absolutely right, I just can not STAND the Facebook Boomer style of images she posts.
Why only MAGA men? Why do the MAGAets get a free pass?
Physical and sexual violence are VASTLY more prevelant from men than from women. And the sort of people who support hateful ideologies like MAGA are by and large, awful people. So while MAGAets might be awful people on average, they’re not committing near as much violence.
Well, reported anyway, domestic violence from women is still a joke to most people and sometimes even celebrated, people loved Cardi B drugging and robbing men, men who try to report rape are laughed at and called gay for not enjoying it, if you can even report them because in many states (like my state) rape requires penetration so the worst a woman can be charged with legally speaking is “sexual assault.”
It’s still probably more men than women, but it’s not as little of a problem from women as our numbers and common perception would have you believe, it’s just that nobody gives a fuck when the attacker is a girl/woman and the victim is male. I wouldn’t know, it’s not like I’ve been raped twice by two different women or anything (because in my state, legally speaking, it was “only” sexual assault. Don’t worry though, those women will never be charged with that either, they’re free to continue sexually assaulting).
That’s horrifying, I’m so sorry that you’ve lived through that. I said lower on purpose, I CERTAINLY didn’t mean zero - because I absolutely know it happens still.
I felt like the world was getting less toxic and this vile but common social reaction was improving. Like, the 80s or 90s vs the late 2010s felt like society had made massive improvement here. But everything’s more fucked right now and people are more unabashedly shitty than ever in our lifetimes, I’m sure we’re worse off today and will be for a while now.
Couldn’t agree more lol.
So being a fascist is forgivable for women, gotcha.
Fascist women aren’t committing the same level of domestic violence as the men, which is directly relevant to the specific claim the post made. I’m not making a moral judgement or statement, just directly addressing the post while you’re having some other off topic argument with yourself I guess.
Calling out base sexism isn’t off topic
I honestly can’t comprehend the concept of posting an image of just text on a microblogging website… Unless maybe it’s reshared, but still. I guess everything to try to grasp the fleeting attention these days, all down hill from here.
But then who would get all the DUIs? Checkmate libs!
Our prison system will fail!
Dodge Ram trucks just do that. They have FSDUI built in, so if no ones driving those it solves like three problems.
So you’re saying a side effect of this would be defunding the police
Don’t threaten me with a good time
Let’s just deport all MAGAts. They’re easily replaceable, seeing as how they’re worthless.
Then people will be standing in line for years to get in to this place. Oh man, sign me the fuck up.
Yeah but who would want them.
I hear the ocean has a lot of open building space, just drop them in the middle and watch them try and pull their Atlantian empire up by the bootstraps.
A really big people maglev slingshot on the coast. Like a mile long and safely accelerates them at a 44 degree angle out into the ocean in a little chair.
Mars, maybe.
i actually dont want them on mars; i feel like eventually theyd start launching missiles at us.
That’s a lot of math and engineering to make missiles from Mars to Earth. Have you seen the general education level of a typical MAGA?
Any strong male figure would be able to control them easily. So… a farmer?
Why stop at age 50? Go all the way.
I assume (or at least, I hope) that they’re basing this on some kind of violent crime rate statistics, hence the cut-off.
It would be nice to include a source for posts like this, to help prevent it being labeled as propaganda if the numbers are legit.
There’s no way those numbers are legit.
No, they are. It’s involves overlaying a few different data sets but most violent crime is committed by white men under 50.
Immigrants of any flavor have lower crime rates than natural born citizens. If you feel this is wrong, that’s yoir xenophobia and racism.
They didn’t say white men under 50, they said maga white men under 50, which is an even smaller group. And they commit 80% of violent crime? You’ve got to back that claim up with sources because I don’t believe the stat you said either. I have heard other data points that go strongly against this.
87% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Actually upon further parsing, the statement cannot be true as it a end result reduction.
So while removing them also removes their ability to be victims which does help quite a bit, to get to 80% white men alone would need to commit 90% of violent crimes. Its easier to hit 70%, since only about 60% would need to be from white men but then we still need to account for maga’s percentage. The raw numbers including white men of any political affiliation max out at around 60%
And statistics makes this all really hard just to describing, showing the math around it is a mess.
The statement can be made true by more carefully wording it. For example if it was demostic terrorism instead of violent crime. Which I’m going to pretend is where my confusion comes from because I’ve done the numbers on that one before and I recall it being around that range. I think there is something on ourworldindata for that one.
The part about children is impossible because a lot of women commit crimes against their own children.
Obviously not, even setting aside the claim that immigration would reduce violence against women, which is definitely not the case depending on which ethnoreligious group we’re talking about.
My thoughts exactly. Political affiliation is not a statistical crime category collected by law enforcement, so I’d like to see the source behind these numbers as well.
Political affiliation may not be a statistical category collected by law enforcement (though I do question the veracity of that statement, but I don’t have the means or the time to dig into it), but we absolutely do have enough info on things like the political leanings of offenders and other similar data points to make confident claims about such data when talking about specific types of crime.
Not saying that I don’t absolutely want to see a source behind the claim as well, though. I don’t take any of these kinds of claims without some kind of data backing it up. Just that I do know that we can make some confident claims on the political leanings of those guilty of things like mass shootings, as mere seconds before Charlie Kirk was shot he was in the middle of arguing with a woman who was citing statistics on the number of people shot by trans people over the past decade in mass shootings compared to the number of people shot by conservative white men in mass shootings over the past decade (something like 5 to 437 if I remember correctly).
By looking at voter registration and data broker information you can connect that information, sure. On an individual basis it’s easy. But it’s a different matter to collect that data on all convicted criminals in the country within a given time period. The larger the time period the harder that gets, especially considering that people with older offenses and no recurring offense can petition the court to have their records sealed, making an accurate count harder.
And, speaking as someone who’s been on the wrong side of law enforcement a few times in my youth, political affiliation or leanings would not be part of the record unless it was relevant (e.g. politically motivated crime). At least, if it wasn’t part of my arrest or court records, then it can’t be true in all localities.
Is making an assumption that since most white males in that age range are maga and most white males have a higher rate of violent crime than the general population, those who are violent criminals are more lllelt to be maga. That is correlation and it is used all over in statistics.
That’s not how correlation works.
This is what separates the magas from everyone else.
They see a chart like this (unverified claims that confirm their prejudices), it’s fact because it’s on the internet.
We see a chart like this and we are instantly skeptical. Even though we know it’s hyperbole, we at least know what hyperbole is, and many of us even know how to say it out loud.
The stats are way off, so I’m curious where they got those numbers.
My gut tells me “it was revealed to them in a dream”
Only the truly evil, wealthy assholes live much past that. Most MAGA hearts just spontaneously explode around that age.
I for one would gladly trade Magatards for immigrants any day.
But let’s be real, which sane country would accept a horde of entitled, violent, lazy, self-righteous child-abusing cis white Christian males?
Probably easier to just go dump them out at sea.
Send them to Mars with Musk. Watch from satellite as they cannibalize themselves out of existence within a year.
I want you to take my life savings, and make this a reality. Live-streamed like the Truman show. I wanna see which oligarch comes out on top in the battle royale
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Why stop at just the men?
Can confirm; plenty of abusive/criminal MAGA women out there.
Basically, every Karen, to start.
AND THE CHILDREN, TOO.
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Counterpoint: the Ocean.
Have you seen what they’re doing to each other down there?
Even on land. I’ve seen what lions do when they take over a pride
Agreed with the exceptions of the cordyceps fungi and the parasitic wasps. No paradise with those kinds of deaths.
Ecofascism is not cool! Humans are part of the environment. Indigenous people all over the world live in symbiosis with the environment. The problem isn’t humans, it’s capitalism driving the ever increasing exploitation of nature so the line can always go up. “Kill all humans” and “humans are a disease” and other such phrases are ecofascism, and completely missing the point.
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Look fuck ICE, try them in court and hang them.
But this is an absurd statement.
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A woman on Instagram made an excellent point. In the past few years in UK and Ireland, anti-immigration protests happened whenever children and women are attacked by immigrants. However, how come these same protesters don’t come out for female victims of domestic abuse or sexually assaulted? Oh yeah I know, because for them, they treat someone who looks different as being worse and held to different standards. It signals "only we can treat our women bad! Fuck off they’re ours, foreigners! Moreover, xenophobia is also a projection to bigots’ own insecurities. They look for someone deemed weaker to lash out to because they could not be anymore angrier and hateful to themselves. It is our lizard brain putting us on our leash and being enslaved to emotions.
Also some of these “protectors of women and girls” have convictions for domestic abuse. They were silent when a white mp was charged with sexual assault. They were silent when a white dj was charged with sexual assault. It’s nothing more than thinly veiled racism. We all know it. If reform Ltd do win the next election, the mask will be off.
