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    I think I actually believe him when he says its soul-sucking. He’s obviously missing a lot of perspective on what he calls ‘real jobs’, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t an emotional toll from what amounts to being a clown whose paycheck is derived from the whims of literally faceless masses

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      I agree. The algorithm wants you constantly putting out annoying shit to keep their audience hooked. At first you are creative! Monetizing your hobby! Soon you have a hole on your resume, a demanding schedule, a soulless algo, a capricious audience you must grow… Yeah I think I’d take corporate life over being a streamer or whatever.

      Its even eaten traditional creative careers. Writers and artists must be online content creators above all else.

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    steamers when their job is to play video games for a few hours and make 1000s of dollars 😭

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    If my body wasn’t so busted I would prefer general labor. Over almost any desk job. I hate it. I don’t have a chat section. At least with general labor i felt like i actually did something of worth at the end of the day.

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    “look the guy who spends all day every day saying things said a cringe thing once! stop listening to him about israel and billionaires!”

    there’s a huge hasan smear campaign by corpo “democrats” right now, because obviously he’s the real danger for some reason and not the cheeto rapist in power.

    when people are calling democrats controlled opposition, this is what they mean.

    remember hasan’s dog? don’t think about the entrenched democrats actively enabling the fascist takeover. don’t think about their support for funding israel’s genocide of gaza. what if his dog possibly potentially had a shock collar because the way it moved once! keep hasan on the defensive so he isn’t talking about israel or billionaires!

    etc.

    i definitely am not the biggest hasan fan, but i find myself defending him regularly from absolute bullshit.

    if there’s was ever a time to be picky about hasan’s choice of emotionally biased statements on non-issues, this is really not it.

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    i challenge you to suffer his stupid fucking chat for a day… a lot of people would prefer back breaking labor.

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    I do think the streamer may have a point, but only in a bullshit jobs way. A job that actually improves the world has a sense of satisfaction that a job that’s either harmful or pointless lacks, and the latter does some damage to the psyche

    That said, he could you know, change careers

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      This quote is out of context. He explained that streaming itself isn’t what is hard, it’s having everything he says taken out of context, the endless death threats, and the constant character assassinations. Also, he was working 60-70 hour weeks.

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          I find it hard to think of any job that would feel meaningful, under capitalism–which is the only system I have experience with. Certainly no job I’ve ever had has felt so. Sure, I could lie to myself that looking at the work from a narrow view, from a certain angle, and in the right light, potential meaning beyond just making the rich richer, and eking out an existence for myself could be occasionally glimpsed, but that was always an obvious lie.

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            Have you considered plumbing? Civil engineering? Becoming a physician or nurse? Installing solar panels? Even a fair amount of manufacturing does something that the world is better off for having it, and within that, supportive work is still meaningful because it enables that good to happen.

            Yes, the distribution of resources and organization of labor are alienating in our society, but there’s work that improves the world and there’s satisfaction in doing it.

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            You can certainly frame your meaningless job in a meaningful way.

            I am specialized in reducing waste and carbon emissions.

            How do I do it? I reduce excess inventories and implement shipping routes that make sense (using less expensive and less wasteful means of transportation wherever possible).

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    I feel he’s comparing streaming to white collar jobs, not blue collar jobs. I often refer to my white collar job as my first “real job” because it was the first job I got involving my degree. Prior to that my blue collar jobs where I worked as a “janitor” or in a deli were just part time work to get some spending money.

    Ironically, or perhaps not depending on your perspective, having every statement you make over analyzed because your profession is just constantly making statements live can certainly be soul sucking. I think this post is evidence of that. You have to constantly make sure you don’t say things that can get clipped in a way that will make you look bad.

    Judging by his other statements, I find it hard to believe he’s saying that hard manual labor is easy work that isn’t soul sucking.

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    He’s right, normal jobs don’t completely take over your life or get you stalkers and death threats or make it impossible to exist in public without being harrassed. Success as a streamer is like any other kind of fame in that it results in a bunch of extra bullshit above and beyond the actual work that is uniquely psychologically exhausting.

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    What does the need to create divisive discourse around a popular leftist streamer serve to obscure about how you actually feel about the world?

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    Nah he’s right. I’m in a friend circle that includes a lot of content creators and the burnout is so palpable, they can’t even take real holidays because if they do the algorithm fucks them over. Then the guy in the group who’s effectively a Janitor is the happiest and well adjusted and he loves his job.

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      1. The person in OP’s picture could retire today and never work again. So clearly it’s not “sucking out his soul” since it’s entirely voluntary.

      2. He’s also talking specifically about streaming which is the absolute lowest common denominator of online content. Like people just flip on OBS and record themselves playing games or eating or reacting to other content, literally just things they would be doing anyways even if they weren’t recording. No one is owed the ability to make money streaming and it’s hard to find a “real job” that provides less value to society than streaming.

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        1. The person in OP’s picture could retire today and never work again. So clearly it’s not “sucking out his soul” since it’s entirely voluntary.

        I mean, debatable, hassas is like early 30s and if we make the big big assumption he has $1m in actual savings, then he would have to live for another 50 years just to make it into his 80s which would come out to about $20k/year not considering investments or inflation or anything. So not realistically enough to retire on.

        Even if we assume he can retire to a life of luxury, does it being voluntary mean it can’t be a soul sucking? Like my country has a good benefits program and I’m disabled, so I could live the rest of my life on benefits if I wanted to, does that mean I can’t complain about my job and that it can’t be soul destroying?

        The effort of actual streaming is only part of the job and it’s still tough to engage with people and be entertaining for hours and hours every day. Like have you not been in a social situation where you have to put on airs? It’s exhausting.

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          hassas is like early 30s and if we make the big big assumption he has $1m in actual savings

          Bro please Hasan was in the top 5 most hours watched on Twitch last year. Twitch leaks from 2021 (5 years ago when he was “smaller”) show he made $3 million just from ads, not even counting any other sponsorships or deals he had.

          And he’s got you out here thinking that he “might, just maybe, if we really stretch belief” have $1 million total net worth. It would be comical if it wasn’t so sad.

          This is exactly why streaming is so disgusting. You’re carrying water for a guy who is a multi multi millionaire because you have a parasocial relationship with him and think he’s your friend.

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            AFAIK he doesn’t run AD’s. Watching him for a year now. I’ve never seen any sponsored content. Maybe he gets money from the politicians he interviews on stream but I doubt it. He only invites those who he has a serious interest in growing their platform. He doesn’t seem to sell out. He regularly mentions his work is solely sponsored by his viewers. I don’t claim that he isn’t a multi millionaire but I don’t see how this invalidates his positions or work.

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            Okay, firstly I need you to understand I have not watched a single second of a Hassan stream and basically everything I know about him I have learned involuntarily. So your personal attacks about my “parasocial relationship” are entirely unfounded.

            But again as I said. Even if he does have enough to retire in luxury why does that mean his job can’t be would destroying? Hassan especially receives an enormous amount of death threats, hate and harassment and streaming in general is very draining.

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        It’s surprising that more political science majors that want to make a difference to society aren’t working at an Amazon warehouse instead of streaming.

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      I can absolutely see this. Viewers are expecting something new every time they check your page. If you aren’t active for a week they may stop checking.

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      LOL, they can’t take holidays? I can’t either, show me who can afford holidays… I haven’t been on holiday in a decade. At least they can pay their bills ffs, unlike me.

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        I get PTO and my job is maybe two steps above flipping burgers. I ain’t going overseas but I can deffo take a vacation. If you’re in a red state or otherwise victim to similar ratfuckery, my condolensces friend.

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        ???

        All my other friends? I’m on a very average wage and can take holidays, I have a friend’s that on like 1k/year over minimum who’s going to Japan later this year.

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          Scream out of touch louder. In the US (where Hasan is so its the pertinent example) federal minimum wage is 7.25 an hour, thats 16,080 a year, add 1000 and you’re saying your friend can afford to pay all their bills and a trip to Japan? The state with the highest minimum wage is Washington at 17.13 hourly total annual being 35,630, add 1,000 36,630. You’re saying thats not only a livable wage in that state but one high enough to afford a trip to Japan? Your friend is putting it on a credit card or they don’t have any of the bills associated with being an adult.

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            Let me get this straight, you’re saying that because some people hate their jobs, nobody is allowed to say a different job sucks? Or is it that nobody is allowed to enjoy their job?

            And you’re saying that because some people are struggling financially nobody else is allowed to be doing okay financially and enjoying the fruits of their labor?

            Get some perspective bro. Read the room!

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                Dude you badly need to spend some time offline and touch some grass and talk to some new people. Go have some fun in the real world!

                That line of thinking only comes from being in an echo chamber for too long

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                  I love that no matter what I say in shitpost there is a shockingly high percentage of people who take it as genuine. This is the best place I’ve ever found to bait/troll.

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                  I love that no matter what I say in shitpost there is a shockingly high percentage of people who take it as genuine. This is the best place I’ve ever found to bait/troll.

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            Americans still don’t understand there are other countries that exist.

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              Boooooo you stink. We are talking about hasan and you are trying to apply whatever your country (which is undeniably a significantly smaller number of people) to all countries by making the statement you’ve made based on your sub 1% incredibly high level of privilege. Your niche example can’t apply to the other 7.5 billion at least humans.

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                which is undeniably a significantly smaller number of people

                What if I’m actually from China?

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                  Well china doesn’t have a national minimum wage so I have no idea what you’d be referencing when stating 1000 above minimum. Highest city minimum wage set is Beijing, its 4 USD an hour. Not sure how that would pay all your bills and afford a vacation to Japan. Japan by the way has a minimum wage of around 2 times that. So, the money would stretch significantly shorter outside of just accommodations. You’re also ignoring the rest of what I said so you continue to stink. Your stance was that anyone making “average” wage can afford international travel and vacations.

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    I think there is a lot to be said for the emotional load someone like Hasan deals with. We are talking thousands of death threats and vitriol, swatting, psyops, debate bros etc etc. The soul sucking is mental and different, not going to assume this was him saying he has it harder like this out of context meme is trying to portray.

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      Its very much the same as standup comedy. Its 100% you.

      If people dont watch its because YOU arent entertaining enough, YOU arent likeable enough, YOU arent putting in enough effort and energy, YOU dont bring anything new to the table, YOU dont take enough risks… Theres no team, theres no band, theres no coworkers, its all on you. Thats a lot to hang your entire livelihood on.

      I could only do streaming or a YT if I had “never work again” money because without the pressure I probably could be fun and entertaining the whole time.

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      The fuck he does. He’s a literal multimillionaire who grifts for a living from the comfort of his own home. You think someone like him goes on Twitter or Reddit and reads what people say about him? He barely interacts with the public outside of his streams, he has one of the most stress free jobs in the world. Emotional load my ass, the only pressure he has is to keep up his persona and to grow his audience which is a very privileged position to be in.

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        Genuinely what is wrong with you that you think getting constant death threats and harassment is “stress free”?

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          He’s a professional provocateur. He knows what he’s doing, and he voluntarily chooses to keep doing it anyway. You’re making it sound like he doesn’t have always have the option to retreat to a private life at any time if he chooses to.

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            So why does it being voluntary mean the job can’t be soul sucking. I could quit my job and live off benefits for the rest of my life if I wanted to, so can I not complain about my job?

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              In his case, he could quit his job and work a normal, more low profile job or he could just straight up retire entirely since he has the money do so. He’s not in a position where he’s forced to do anything. He’s not some victim in poor victim who’s worthy of unconditional empathy. He’s not living paycheck to paycheck, he doesn’t do steaming because he has to, he doesn’t have to pay attention to what people say online, and he doesn’t have to keep streaming. He’s consciously choosing to do it, this is something that he clearly enjoys.

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                You still haven’t actually answered the question. You just keep repeating that he doesn’t have to do it if he doesn’t want to. But he does want to and he does do it, he’ll he probably enjoys it on the whole, but why does that mean the job can’t be draining and stressful?

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        Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.

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          I have a hard time believing that this guy is living some hellish, extremely stressful life because he voluntarily chose to make a career out of being a professional provocateur from the comfort of his own home.

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            You try receiving thousands of death threats and hate messages every single day and try not to let it get to you. It’s not that cut and dry.

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      I don’t think he has much of an emotional load because he’s a sociopath. His entire thing is a complete grift…and boy does it sell… And apparently you’re buying!

      I wouldn’t worry too much about his feelings or lack thereof, He seems to find great comfort in his material wealth and assets.

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        I don’t think he’s a grifter. He stopped running ads as soon as his contract with Twitch was over, doesn’t do sponsorships, doesn’t sell nutritional supplements, lets “fan channels” repost his content, personally donates to candidates and causes, runs donation streams, etc. I guess he does sell merch, made by union shops. I’m pretty sure most his income comes from subscribers. I think he could make much more money doing the things listed above if he wanted to. I don’t particularly like his personality, and he does seem to be fairly consumeristic and vain, but I don’t think he’s a grifter.

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          It’s no use, my friend. There’s like a dozen shit-posters here who aren’t interested in doing anything except doing drive-by disinfo dumps on Hasan so that anyone not in-the-know in the thread genuinely asking “who is Hasan” gets to poison the well on digging any further…

          Like someone says “who is this?” and then someone replying “oh that guy? He likes Hitler” and then most people will go “Oh ok I don’t need to look up anything else on this Bernie Sanders guy I guess then since that person who seems to be knowledgeable said he likes Hitler…”

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            It’s so odd to me how this guy has some of the most diehard fans on the internet. Like Hasan is literal multimillionaire streamer who doesn’t give two shits about you, why do you defend him so hard? You’re not even willing to consider the possibility that some of the criticism against him might be valid, you’re just dismissing it all as disinfo, and that’s absolutely wild to me.

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              I’m not even really a diehard fan. I don’t subscribe to his Twitch. Never paid him any money. Never have attempted to chat with him or commented on any of his videos… I will say - just based off his publicly verifiable actions, he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans… or Hell… any of his supporters… shit… or the president does probably of any of the president’s own family.

              And in this day, I figure if I’m gonna get news from a handful of sources, I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.

              What seems odd to me is that - because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims - somehow we are supposed to pretend that simply pointing that out makes people “die-hard fans?”

              Hasan Piker isn’t some saint, but he seems to use at least some sizeable portion of his wealth to give voices to people who are not otherwise given a large platform… or those running for office who - as far as you can reasonably believe - would attempt to improve the material conditions of the overwhelming majority of NON-rich people…

              Yet all you want to focus on is debunked dog shock memes mostly peddled by fans of far more problematic streamers as if they are true, or on the dude’s wealth that he acquires mostly through just streaming… not hocking bullshit… not shitty supplements, or by peddling misinformation or crypto / gambling schemes, or shitty snack foods and hyper-caffeinated drinks.

              I DID consider the possibility once that the guy shocked his dog… but I’ve seen enough videos of him absolutely loving the shit out of her and walking with her and him holding her in his lap and calling friends he asked to babysit her when he was out of town just to check in on her to know that he’s not a dog abuser.

              As far as I have seen, Hasan never has raised a hand at Kaya, and if he did, you would see her wince when he reached for her any one of the thousands of times he’s put his hands toward her.

              I’ve seen abused dogs. That dog is not one of them. She is treated like royalty.

              In summary - there seems to be a lot of bullshit out there about this guy. If you’ve got something real to share that you think is truly convincing that this guy is a real piece of shit - other than fake dog shock outrage memes, the “America deserved 9-11” clip, or the “ah I see you are rich, but if you were truly of the left, you would be poor!” critique that one webcomic makes fun of with the “we should improve society somewhat” well goblin gag, please share.

              Otherwise, I think I’ve wasted way too much of my free time attempting to rebut all of the seemingly bad faith claims made by those who refuse to either engage in the video evidence provided, or have yet to reply back with any citable video or other sort of proof to further back up any of the pretty dubious claims made regarding how supposedly terrible this guy Hasan Piker is.

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                I’m not even really a diehard fan.

                You wouldn’t write this novel sized comment if this was the case lol

                he seems to “give a shit” about the wellbeing of non-millionaires way more than CNN and MSNBC anchors do. Certainly a shitload more than my state’s senators do. Certainly more than the president does of any Americans

                How does this in any way disprove my point that he doesn’t give a shit about what people say about hime online both positive and negative?

                I’d much rather get it from folks whose actions have demonstrated an objectively more favorable view of policies that align to my interests moreso than 90% of the news media and politicians out there.

                This is horrible lol. Credibility of news should depend on their accuracy and objectivity, not how much they align with your preexisting news. What you’re describing here is just confirmation bias.

                because I can point to media anyone can watch for and verify for themselves all while you and several others continue to mischaracterize this guy as an animal abuser, or an anti-Semite, and other absurd easily debunked claims

                What in the fuck are you even talking about? What does this have to do with what I said? You choose to make up criticisms that neither I nor anybody else here made, and then wrote paragraphs upon paragraphs “debunking” them. The only thing you proved here is that you’re cartoonish caricature of the type of person I’m criticizing.

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              Why does him being a “multi millionaire” mean I have to hate him? In today’s world that’s just owning a successful small business. Not the filthy rich Scrooge McDuck kinda shit you’re implying it is.

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                I was just making the point that Hasan is in it for himself. This is clearly his business and he’s raking in the cash because of it. He does not care about how people online view him or what criticisms people have of him. That’s why I find it weird that he has all these ride or die stans who are willing to wear their shining armor and go to great lengths to defend him on online forums against any and all criticism, no matter how valid.

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                  Nah I think you’re just either arguing for the sake of having an argument or you’re one of those people that have a hate boner for the guy.

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              As far as political streamers with fanbases under 30, he’s one of the few alternatives to the manosphere types and groypers. People can have a kneejerk reaction to defend someone those groups routinely target.

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                Is this not just the the lesser of two evils argument? It isn’t as convincing to me when it’s about political streamers that you voluntarily choose to consume in your free time vs consequential national elections with candidates who you had little influence in choosing.

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                  There’s not a lesser of two evils argument there, so it makes sense it’d be unconvincing.

                  This is more of a ‘judge him by his enemies’ type thing.

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                That’s actually the point I’m trying to make. The person I’m replying to is trying to dismiss ALL criticisms against Hasan as disinformation, which I think is absolutely ridiculous as it’s based in the notion that no valid criticisms can exist against this guy.

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          You’re looking for reasons as to why he isn’t while ignoring all the reasons that he is. And it’s not his merch, it’s all the shit that is swept for him. It’s all right there in plain sight.

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          He’s 100% a grifter, it’s baffling how anyone can deny this. Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices. He preaches against consummerism, but he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry. In fact that’s all he ever wears on any of his streams. He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood. Like what are we even talking about? This guy is grifter through and through, just because he doesn’t grift in the same way as Alex Jones, that doesn’t mean that he isn’t one.

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            Hasan preaches against capitalism, but he literally runs a for profit clothing brand where he sells clothes at ridiculously high prices.

            “How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”

            Also in the present race to the bottom if you have standards that you expect your comparatively small run of clothing to meet (such as that the clothing is made by union laborers in decent working conditions) compared to say whatever clothing is being sold in big box stores, you have to expect that it will cost more.

            Now if it came out that his merch was made in a sweatshop in Bangladesh and of lousy quality that would be a completely different story

            he is notorious for bragging about he spends thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, on designer brand outfits and jewelry

            Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through. If you can afford to buy something nice for yourself that you like, why not?

            He preaches against wealth hoarding, but again, he’s a multimillionaire who used money he earned from ads, sales, and hard earned dollars from fans to buy a $200k sports car and $3 million mansion in Hollywood.

            Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards. Seriously.

            Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person. People can have different opinions but I don’t think it’s unfair for someone who was able to get themselves into a position where they have some wealth to spend and enjoy that wealth, especially one who actively campaigns and lobbies in the interest of the working class and against their own interests.

            The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries

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              “How come you, a communist own an iPhone. Checkmate communists”

              This is such a grossly disingenuous talking point by his stans because it exists solely to dismiss criticism against Hasan, even if it contradicts your own principles.

              I am not one of those people who thinks that he’s a hypocrite for not living in abject poverty. It’s completely reasonable anybody, including socialists, to seek a comfortable life in a capitalist society. However, there is a very big difference between participating in society and living in luxury. The former is something you have to do, but the latter is a conscious and unnecessary choice. Which again, would’ve been fine if he was honest with his audience… but he isn’t.

              If you can’t see the difference between a socialist who buys nothing but $7000 suits and $200,000 sports cars and someone who has an iPhone and Rav4, then that’s on you. My point stands.

              you have to expect that it will cost more.

              You’re falling for the grift, this is a part of his marketing. His gimmick is that the clothes are union made domestically, which he uses to justify the ridiculously high prices. However, that is NOT the reason why the prices are as high as they are. He constantly runs a lot promotions and sales events, which means that he’s not selling his merch at the minimum necessary to keep the operation going in order to give his customers the best deal, but he’s selling his products at a very juicy profit.

              Buying better quality stuff can improve one’s quality of life compared to whatever’s cheapest in the constant race to the bottom that this world is going through.

              You fundamentally misunderstand the point I’m making. The price isn’t the point, the reasons behind why the prices are so high is. Keep in mind, there are a lot of other clothing companies that use only union labor and manufacture domestically like AllAmericanClothing.com, but their prices are damn near half of what Hasan is selling his at.

              Soooo he’s hoarding his wealth? Or he’s spending it all and flashing it around? Which is it? Also $3 million for property in Hollywood only buys you a smallish house by the rest of the country’s standards.

              What point are you even trying to make? They’re one and the same. He’s raking money left and right and he’s using that money to indulge himself on a life of luxury at the expense of his audience.

              Like, clearly your problem is the classic “why do you a communist own an iPhone” but at the scale of a relatively wealthy person.

              But the reason why I called this disingenuous is because it is very reductionist. This entire talking point exists to intentionally kill the nuance and thus render the criticism as something silly. It’s like someone criticizing a preachy vegan who eats meat every time they go out, and then having another person come to their defense by saying something like “why are criticizing them? Are vegans not allowed to eat?”. Like clearly that’s not the point being made, you’re being obtuse on purpose.

              The difference between a millionaire and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. There’s about 24 million millionaires in the US, there’s only about 3,000 billionaires in the entire world. There’s a world of difference between being wealthy and literally having wealth that exceeds that of entire countries

              Again, you’re missing the point. The scale doesn’t matter, I’m criticizing the behavior. There’s a clear world of difference between a pair of grandparents owning a home for 50 years and that is now valued at over a million dollars, and someone like Hasan who’s living a live of wealth and luxury. If Hasan just lived a comfortable life and used his wealth in accordance to the principles he preaches then nobody would have an issue, but he doesn’t and thus he’s being criticized for it. It’s that simple.

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            Tell me you don’t watch him without telling me you don’t watch him.

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        Hey now, those are our material wealth and assets. However, my share apperaently getting lost in the mail along with my Soros protest check 😕

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          Ya so, my name has nothing to do with any of that silliness. I’ve had it for like 15 years online. But thanks for the amusing schizorant. I’m not into dehumanizing anyone, but you far rad leftists seem to be happy doing that, the same evil that nazi’s embody you’re happy to exercise yourself. Have fun with that.

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    I’ve actually attempted live streaming. It totally sucks the joy out of sitting in front of a computer and zoning out playing your game. You start to go “Oh no I can’t play this game cuz I’m playing it on stream.”

    I wasn’t majorly successful but I still made affiliate and had some regular watchers. The pressure to create content and be entertaining and stay engaged was too much for me and continue doing it all for the paltry sums that I was getting.

    I could also feel the pressure to become someone I’m not to reach more people. Something I refused to do. In the end though I made enough money streaming to make up for all the equipment I bought for it. I ran out of real time to stream when I got a new job that demanded more time from me. I am making so much more money so much faster by just clocking in and out every day and i feel like I’m building my skills in the field I’m in instead of making me hate my entertainment options.

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      One guy I still really like to watch hit the perfect stride. He has a real job now, but he occasionally streams based on when he feels like, and has a pretty dedicated, very small, group of followers he feels safe around. He’s fine with ending stream early if there’s no real vibe.

      He used to be much bigger, so he has the experience; he’s just fine with downsizing a bit, playing variety games, etc.

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        True but when you have a moment where you just need to sit lean back, stretch, and say “argh I fucking hate excel”, you don’t have an audience arguing that you should love it. Or maybe you do have an audience but it’s colleagues who have similar experience and can commiserate or give advice about the latest annoyance if they know a trick.

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          Given how much I disagree with myself I effectively have that for everything. When I say everything I mean everything, can’t even jack off to porn without some stupid gremlin side of my psyche telling me 1/10 acting is shit not enough foreplay.

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      for me, streaming is a way for me to share my activity with my friends and have fun. i’ve given my friends many ways to interact with (bully) me on-stream, and it’s all good fun. if my social battery ever drains, i stop streaming for a few days.

      i got my affiliate, and am currently not fussed about getting that partner. if i ever get popular, sure, that would be very cool, but honestly, i’m happy with sharing the joy with my friends.

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      Do you feel free to throw up a stream when you game how you really want now a days or have you retired entirely?

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        I haven’t booted up OBS in a few months now. It would be too much work for me to do. Make my hair look nice, make sure my lighting setup is just right, clean my room, set up my camera angle and then make sure that everything on stream is appropriate. Not copyrighted and all that stuff.

        I think about it sometimes, but ultimately I might end up just doing it for fun on a self-hosted stream or something like that if I ever have time. I’ve been on a whole own my own digital footprint kick lately.

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          about the nice looking stuff, have you considered vtubing or even just pngtubing? that should take a bunch of pressure off having to look nice for the stream. they do take some initial setup (getting the vtuber model, setting up the vtubing software), but afterwards when you want to stream, you can just start up the software and you’re ready to go.

          about copyrighted material, it’s mostly a matter of finding a playlist from specific stream-friendly labels, such as NoCopyrightSounds and Chillhop Music. they may require attribution in the form of a channel panel underneath your stream, but afterwards you’re free to stream and monetize.

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      Aside from the streamdeck, which tbh i coulda memorized some keyboard commands instead, I can justify the other streaming related buys like the webcam and fancy mic with the boom arm and pop filter as being useful if a bit extra for other shit.

      I get dogwater viewers but I just shoot the shit and play stuff I was going to play anyhow so its a few extra bucks to play with some buddies on the proverbial couch heckling or rooting for me as the case may be.

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    I respect and appreciate what Hasan does and the impact he has even if I myself am not a fan.

    But boy, I do wish he managed to be less annoying while doing it, or that we had a better face for the movement in broad media than him.

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      Dead Domain is an excellent political commentator on YT, but i doubt they will ever be big like hasan because murica (they are nonbinary).