Editorial: If the ceasefire holds, Donald Trump’s ill-starred foray into the Middle East will have left the Iranian regime stronger than it was before the conflict
No, that wasn’t the only outcome. Iran got richer and the world got to see that the military might of the USA is much less mighty than they want the world to know.
Yep, but his biggest blunder was to trust Trump to help him out all the way. What makes Netanyahu a moron in my books is that now after a few years Iran will be stronger and led by military. It will hurt Israel in the long term.
The electorate on both sides have definitely soured on Israel, organically. I only expect the evangelicals to stay the same. AIPAC is having to reach deep into its war chest to buy elections and increasingly obfuscate its contributions through shell PACs now.
Unfortunately no, that’s not their sole achievement.
Israel has occupied territories in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Irak. And will likely annex some areas excusing it with ,national security interests". In reality the greater aim seem to be ,greater israel" which covers the whole are promised to them in some obscure book.
They managed to ramp up military/weapons spending in the US and Europe, and massively boosted the price of oil. The idea that Trump lost is naive in my opinion, this was a big cash grab just like Venezuela was and certain people will have profited massively from it.
Whatever influence Netanyahyu had, it’s naive to buy into the “Israel tricked the US” narrative. I’ll remind you that Iran and the US have been on hostile terms since 1979. Every president has considered, or launched military options on Iran since then.
The problem with the “Israel tricked the US” isn’t so much that it plays into antisemitic tropes (though it does), it’s that it absolves the US from Israel’s adventures and crimes. It’s not our fault you see, we were bamboozeled by those crafty Hebrews.
Netanyahu launched the war by killing Khamenei, while we were in the middle of negotiations no less. This is 100℅ Israels fault, and we should have pulled out the instant it happened and let Israel fight its own wars for once.
I’ll remind you that Iran and the US have been on hostile terms since 1979. Every president has considered, or launched military options on Iran since then.
OK, And when did the US congress start voting nearly 100% favorably on every vote friendly to Israel? I bet if you checked you’d see that AIPAC bribers controlling congress want back farther than you’d guess. Before 1979.
There was an article in WP or NYT in March detailing the meeting where Netanyahu sold the war to Trump.
Nothing absolves the US from the crimes in this war. I’m pointing out Netanyahu’s role, since he has probably made Israel yet again less secure by ultimately handing Iran a stronger hand. But he also supported Hamas back in the day to replace moderate Palestinian voices with extremists. Didn’t turn out so well for the ordinary citizens of Israel.
The moderate voices in its government were purged or killed, the popular protests against the hard-line Islamists have been crushed and sidelined, there’s a (tiny, but unprecedented) wedge driven between the U.S. and Israeli leaders, Israel has lost popular support in much of the West, and its ability to put a chokehold on the world economy via the Strait of Hormuz has been demonstrated without any tangible contest.
Do you seriously need someone to explain to you why the country that just chased the American Empire out of the Persian Gulf is stronger than it was before?
Besides the other replies, Iran has achieved a huge PR coup by revealing that the US is a paper tiger. The popularity of the US among western countries has never been lower because Trump’s Blunder pooched the global economy. Former allies are walking away from economic and military cooperation with the US.
Additionally, the US has to pay Iran 300B in war reparations as part of their surrender. The iranian regime will probably divert those funds to entrench their power.
Don’t forget, this war was very likely initiated by Netanyahu. All they managed to do was make Iran stronger, what a bunch of fucking morons.
No, that wasn’t the only outcome. Iran got richer and the world got to see that the military might of the USA is much less mighty than they want the world to know.
That’s what happens when you fill the upper ranks with yes-men
at least 2/3 of the global northern empires have fallen for the dictator’s trap
Netanyahu is not a moron, making Iran weaker wasn’t his goal. Forever war was, to have a foil to play for domestic political purposes.
It’s his “keeping himself out of jail” plan. Just like with Thwump. The only way not to go to jail is to stay President.
Exactly what he did with Hamas all these years.
The villain loves creating his own enemies to keep his political career going.
Not to mention Gaza and the West Bank has been out of the news cycle. The colonists have been doing some heinous shit since the war happened.
Yep, but his biggest blunder was to trust Trump to help him out all the way. What makes Netanyahu a moron in my books is that now after a few years Iran will be stronger and led by military. It will hurt Israel in the long term.
That’s going to depend on whether US support for the Zionist project will be as unconditional as it has been so far.
The electorate on both sides have definitely soured on Israel, organically. I only expect the evangelicals to stay the same. AIPAC is having to reach deep into its war chest to buy elections and increasingly obfuscate its contributions through shell PACs now.
The whole point of the war was to stop oil sales in chinese yuan. It’s as simple as that.
Gold has been surging and that was because they country was trading gold for yuan to buy oil. Now they can’t do that. Oil is traded in USD again.
Did it stop though? Why can’t they use RMB, what changed?
Because we sent the us military to stop RMB oil sales
But did they stop? It looks like the US military was defeated
They did stop. Now all insurance and oil is USD on the straight currently
Can you put a source to that? All I could find is the US allowing Iran to start selling oil without restrictions. It looks unclear at this point.
Because of the war, emerging markets are trading oil in yen. I don’t know what your talking about.
Have you not been following the gold price surging?
Unfortunately no, that’s not their sole achievement.
Israel has occupied territories in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and Irak. And will likely annex some areas excusing it with ,national security interests". In reality the greater aim seem to be ,greater israel" which covers the whole are promised to them in some obscure book.
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They managed to ramp up military/weapons spending in the US and Europe, and massively boosted the price of oil. The idea that Trump lost is naive in my opinion, this was a big cash grab just like Venezuela was and certain people will have profited massively from it.
Trump didn’t lose, but the US did.
That precisely describes his election and everything since.
Very true although I would extend that to most of the world, it’s not just the US suffering from his actions unfortunately.
Whatever influence Netanyahyu had, it’s naive to buy into the “Israel tricked the US” narrative. I’ll remind you that Iran and the US have been on hostile terms since 1979. Every president has considered, or launched military options on Iran since then.
The problem with the “Israel tricked the US” isn’t so much that it plays into antisemitic tropes (though it does), it’s that it absolves the US from Israel’s adventures and crimes. It’s not our fault you see, we were bamboozeled by those crafty Hebrews.
Netanyahu launched the war by killing Khamenei, while we were in the middle of negotiations no less. This is 100℅ Israels fault, and we should have pulled out the instant it happened and let Israel fight its own wars for once.
OK, And when did the US congress start voting nearly 100% favorably on every vote friendly to Israel? I bet if you checked you’d see that AIPAC bribers controlling congress want back farther than you’d guess. Before 1979.
It’s naive to say “Israel gets to do whatever they want.” (See? I can quote things the person I’m replying to didn’t say to make a strawman, too).
There was an article in WP or NYT in March detailing the meeting where Netanyahu sold the war to Trump.
Nothing absolves the US from the crimes in this war. I’m pointing out Netanyahu’s role, since he has probably made Israel yet again less secure by ultimately handing Iran a stronger hand. But he also supported Hamas back in the day to replace moderate Palestinian voices with extremists. Didn’t turn out so well for the ordinary citizens of Israel.
Dude, Trump could be tricked by a rotting sweater. And I fucking hate the “everything about Israel is antisemitic” narrative.
Is Iran stronger? How so?
The moderate voices in its government were purged or killed, the popular protests against the hard-line Islamists have been crushed and sidelined, there’s a (tiny, but unprecedented) wedge driven between the U.S. and Israeli leaders, Israel has lost popular support in much of the West, and its ability to put a chokehold on the world economy via the Strait of Hormuz has been demonstrated without any tangible contest.
Iran learned they can topple any US government with restrictions on oil. Who needs nukes when you have thirsty brahs in Silverados.
They’re politically stronger now.
they proved they could stand up to the US and win. US proved, again, that bombing countries accomplishes nothing.
Do you seriously need someone to explain to you why the country that just chased the American Empire out of the Persian Gulf is stronger than it was before?
Besides the other replies, Iran has achieved a huge PR coup by revealing that the US is a paper tiger. The popularity of the US among western countries has never been lower because Trump’s Blunder pooched the global economy. Former allies are walking away from economic and military cooperation with the US.
Additionally, the US has to pay Iran 300B in war reparations as part of their surrender. The iranian regime will probably divert those funds to entrench their power.
I really hope that doesn’t affect the status quo in the Taiwan strait
Plus lifted sanctions and likely the right to profit from safe passage over Hormuz.