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      Yeah, but there are a LOT of white women in the south.

      Absentee ballots are cool and all, I’m sure southern husbands and fathers love being able to ‘check everyone voted properly’.

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      It’s just saying that 7% of the total people they surveyed fall into the group “men 18-29”. Without knowing how many people were actually polled and how they were selected we cannot say anything about the statistical validity of the sample.

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    God, the whole of Lemmy is such a meme right now; the majority of women voted Trump as well!

    Lmao!..

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    It’s amazing how I’ve never ever seen a single thread on this metaphor and not seen at least two to three male users get furious and thus prove the metaphor 100% correct. Not once. Every single time. It’s like catnip they can’t resist it.

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    Correct me if im wrong, not American;

    People in your family can know if you register to vote as a dem o rep right? I suspect that if voting registration was anonymous like normal countries a lot less white women would have voted for trump

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      Registration doesn’t require a party affiliation.

      Party affiliation doesn’t require voting for the party you’ve affiliated with.

      Who/what you voted for is anonymous.

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      You don’t have to be registered under a specific party I think. I’m not American, but you can register as an independent. And you don’t have to vote for the party you’re registered for. Actually I have no idea why you even register for certain parties in the first place

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        It’s so you can participate in primary elections for that party. Some people who vote Dem in the general election will sometimes register as Republican so that they can vote for spoiler candidates in the Republican primary. There’s not enough people doing it for that plan to really have any impact though.

        But the same logic applies if you are trying to hide your votes from nosy family. Family members have enough info on you to be able to look up your party registration so if you are afraid of them causing drama, you can register as whatever party the rest of your family is registered as and then vote for the other side in the general election. The actual votes you cast cannot be traced back to you… Which can raise other concerns like not being able to verify if your vote actually counted.

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    This isn’t going to be popular, but part of the problem is not acknowledging that 42%. It’s fucking insulting, frankly. Plenty of women voted for the bear.

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      52% of white women voted for trump.

      Chances are that many of the people crying about men voting trump, are part of a demographic that mostly voted trump.

      Trump apparently won the popular vote anyway. Most of everyone who voted, voted trump. But let’s focus on men and then be surprised that young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway, feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

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        Please don’t get me confused, I don’t think it’s good this many men voted for The Stain. Also, 52% of WHITE women, but I bet if you combined ALL women, that number would drop dramatically.

        My broader point is, IMO, that 42% never gets talked about so why would it grow, yeah?

        Or, put another way, when I talk about women, who are my allies against the Patriarchy, I speak of why I like them (because I do, I LOVE women). They are resilient, strong, resourceful, grounded, etc, all the good stuff, and I try to include all women in that, they are my allies. I try NOT to focus on trad wives, manipulators, “gold diggers”, abusers, weirdos like MTG or Caitlyn Jenner , you know, bad people (and there are plenty).

        But when I hear about men in the ally space, it feels like I hear all about how awful and dangerous we are and that’s it. And there’s ALWAYS this group of guys willing to go along with it and point and go “yeah, we totally suck! You guys saying we don’t are the real problem!” But, how is that motivating to anyone? It makes me upset, anyways. Maybe I’m just a big emotional baby, who knows?

        Anyways, I’m blabbing. Bad habit of mine.

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            An I demographic blaming?

            Honest question, why so defensive? This post is demographic blaming, but am I supposed to go, “oh yeah I suck even though I am an ally.” Is that it? Is that what you want? Subservience? Or an honest conversation so we can move forward?

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          I mean, I’m out. Doesn’t matter what I do or how I vote I’m going to be called the enemy by the left anyway. They are adamant that I am their enemy and that they are mine. So that’s how it’s gonna be.

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          I would rather kill myself than vote for trump, who is a sexist, racist and fascist.

          And I am with you. The boarder left is in denial that they are alienating especially young men with that behavior.

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            Meanwhile the right is actively recruiting young men. The name “Manosphere” for their recruitment cedes that ground to them with no resistance. “That’s just how men are, they hate women and vote for Trump because celebrities tell them to.” The right is actively selling their ideology to young men, the left isn’t.

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              The left has nothing for them, the American left used to be racist and sexist too, but then they expelled the dixiecrats.

              Where do you think all that sexist racist scum came from? You think they wave confederate flags for no reason?

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        young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway

        Nice anti-masculine sentiment. No wonder they voted Trump. You guys don’t hide your disdain as well as you think you do.

        feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

        Lol I wonder why…

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          As a guy who used to be a young man and with a lot of young men as friends, retrospectively yeah, most issues were based in insecurities. You really want to be an adult and you feel like you should be one but you don’t know how to be one. You go out and want to meet girls and you are scared of the rejection.

          You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t. It is an understanding of humans.

          Just as a sidenote, based on my experience every young adult is struggling with insecurities.

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            Every young adult is struggling with insecurities.

            This is a totally different statement.

            You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t

            Saying men are insecure when it’s the case across the board means it’s fair game to call you out. It sounds like fundamentally we don’t disagree though.

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          As a father of a daughter?

          Those men need to go fuck themselves and die.

          I am horrified my daughter might have to share a world with that complete trash.

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    If there isn’t a movie yet where a woman meets a strange man in the middle of the woods and he starts acting creepy and she gets scared, then she sees a bear and decides to chance it with the bear… and then the bear runs past her and mauls the creepy guy-

    Well there should be.

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    2020 election.

    Its cultural, men are more likely to be Republicans. One day this will change

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      I don’t know about that. We have to remember that people just didn’t come out to vote. Trump’s base is Trump’s base. It’s unchanging. People didn’t come out to vote, it’s not that Trump flipped people.

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        This is the real answer. Dems moved right again so their progressive base stayed home.

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    I mean, it sounds to me like men also chose the bear. Why did they choose the bear, is it because they’re stupid? Probably not, they likely just thought their odds were better with the bear.

    Dropping the metaphor, and looking in the cold light of day, those young men saw a better future under Trumpler than Harris. Articles signaled this well before, and nothing was done to address it.

    Will their future be better - probably not. Can they be made to think their future is better, that’s a tough one. Remember, you can trick one group of people into thinking they have more rights by stripping the rights of those around them.

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      You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

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    When Harris was nominated, I told a friend of mine that my biggest fear was it was going to energize racists and sexists because she was black and a woman. I though she was great candidate, but the level of racism and sexism in this county is beyond insane.

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      You want this to be true because it’s a simple explanation, just like Republicans. Stop being so immature and look at the actual dogshit platform she ran on and think again. You just defined confirmation bias in your comment. Doesn’t make it true

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      Well it’s a good thing your worries were unfounded then because Trump got 72 million votes in 2020, and as of right now he’s got those same 72 million votes in 2024. 10 million or so democrats sat out this election compared to 2020 and that’s why Harris lost.

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      It was actually because they gaslit people into believing that Biden was a competent candidate until like 3 months before the damn election.

      THEN didn’t even hold a primary.

      And then let Kamala Harris completely train wreck the campaign and say shit like 18-24 year olds were stupid (notice how most of those votes from men for trump were around that age?) And sure, the video was taken out of context but she did say it and these dumb fucks didn’t care what the context was when they see that clip droning on their TikToks and shit.

      America does have a racism and sexism problem but to tell yourself that that is the only reason she lost this election would be lying to yourself in a very major way.

      I did vote for her too, btw. First time I ever voted. But Jesus Christ the democrats just seem like they don’t want to win at this point.

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        People keep saying this but they haven’t finished counting the votes. In California alone only 55% of votes were counted and he had 4,000,000+ votes there. The remaining votes could easily put him past his 2020 total.

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    I love how so many men in the comments are butt hurt by this comparison. Almost as if it hit the nail right on the head.

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      You are aware that 52% of white women voted for trump and that he won the popular vote by nearly 5 million votes (72,656,451 for trump, 67,978,280 for Harris) between both that is 140,634,731 votes. So 1% would be 1406347.31. so trump won by about 3% popular vote.

      Blaming specifically men and exclusively, is what pisses them off.

      America is sexist and racist.

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        “Fascism won. Better continue feeding into the race, gender, and class wars that majorly helped cause it to happen in the first place.”

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          Then why are you talking about the popular vote of men then? Weird double standard there.

          And I am not talking about a “similar” demographic because you miss the point. Why do you focus on men? Why not on white women? Why not on the general population?

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              So just to get you straight, you make fun of men for being upset at the “meme” for push gender war non sense. When I critic you over you also push gender war non sense, you tell me that it isn’t about the popular vote and when I point out that the exit polls are effectively popular votes. And ask, why aren’t you talking about the popular vote of white woman but focus on men? Pointing out your gender war non sense, your defence is “I just engage in gender war non sense of the meme and push those ideas”. Okay