Did people actually change what they’d say based on whether or not they thought they’d get upvotes? I always just said what I wanted and used the karma to determine how popular of an opinion it was, so pretty much exactly how Lemmy works now. I don’t think I ever looked at my overall account karma on Reddit.
how do people on this site not realize that the points next to your posts affect how your posts are sorted and are literally the exact same system as reddit? am i just so blind that i can actually see the numbers next to my posts or is everyone here just trying to be so anti-reddit they’ll make up bullshit that isn’t reality?
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Literally seen 0 people asking for karma system
Also karma on Reddit is basically irrelevant. The only place it matters is in automoderation removing posts and comments for users under a certain level of karma.
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People will do strange things rather extensively to watch arbitrary numbers go up. Especially children.
Watching numbers go up is basically the whole gameplay loop of an ARPG. It’s fun.
Getting upvotes maybe, but nobody pays attention to their aggregate karma.
Not to be mean but, ritch folk dont watch their bank account directly, they have analog wasy of mesuring, like if they can buy “X” without renting.
Sure, that’s what I’m saying though. Anyone who posts regularly has enough karma that it makes no material difference. It’s one of those measures with high specificity when you have negative or low karma and almost no specificity once you get beyond some arbitrary minimum.
Karma’s return diminishes almost completely after you hit the bare minimum required not to get automoderated.
Really good response, i just relized we were never in disagreement
Posting comics on Reddit, I found it a quick way to see how well I made something and what people generally liked. Eventually though I started to become a little skeptical of the numbers, and hated having to play this game where those numbers might be better when posting at different times and different days. I couldn’t help but feel like some of them were bought initially to heat, or boost their posts.
I started to absolutely loathe those numbers, but I don’t know what you can do to replace them.
Which is honestly freaking dumb. Sure you can do it with a big community but it will speed up the hivemind and alienate new users and frankly did nothing to curb bots because bots just farmed karma elsewhere on a sub where it was open by spamming posts and comments. And then went right back on the “threshold” subs.
You need Karma, in so many subs. Not only comments karma, also posts karma and all that stupid shit
I once wanted to post a meme on r/memes. My post got removed because I needed a lot more karma (my estimation was that I needed 1k each for both comments and posts but it wouldn’t actually tell me how much I needed). I REALLY hope that doesn’t appear here. It just blocks people from making and sharing content with others.
Why are u getting downvoted?
Probably people from Reddit defending the idea of a karma system, they always say that they’re made up internet points but the fact that Karma restrictions exist and are enforceable proves that wrong.
I mean, upvotes are counted and tracked so how is that different than karma?
Shhh let them just enjoy it for now
On reddit, if your karma is too low you’re not allowed to participate in most communities.
I mean, it’s a super low bar.
If i was, say interested in r/choosingbeggers, id annoy the crap out of any small ungated sub with “I agree” till I get my 100 karma.
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There’s currently nothing stopping a mod from creating a bot to do the same. Maybe it’s already a thing.
You don’t have a score.
I guess it depends on what interface you’re using.
I’ll dissent. I like the karma system. It gives me a quick read out of who’s a troll and who isn’t.
I don’t care about post karma so much, but the comment karma was an interesting stat.
Edit: An important caveat. We MUST keep downvotes visible. MUST. Having just a positive score breeds absolute insanity.
Negative karma doesn’t necessarily indicate a troll, any unpopular opinion can get down-voted to hell while similar but differently expressed ideas get up-voted in the same thread. I’m not against karma system though, just think it’s quite useless in most cases.
All comment karma tells you is who was first to a thread basically in my experience, and I had over 500k of it lol it’s nothing though I could go troll for days before making a dent in the 10k you get from an obvious joke on the new tab and then the thread takes off
Best way to tell if someone is a troll is just to look at what they say imo 🤷🏻♂️
I had my third party app and browser extensions set to automatically hide comments by people with very low karma and very low comment scores. I’d only ever see hateful comments if I clicked to unhide them and I liked that
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You forgot about the baby eaters in your list of people you dislike.
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I find it funny you had a list instead of just saying harmful people. It was a joke.
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Idk I felt like above a certain point karma was just an indication that that person knew how to game the system and play nice with reddit.
I like how it is on lemmy. I feel like downvotes/upvotes prompt conversations. You’re at 47/6 and it doesn’t really matter to me, it just shows that people might not totally agree and then I’m hopeful that they have left a comment.
I think it’s also possible that the voting system on reddit was effective at marginalizing people.
You can only lose about 100karma in one comment thread so if a troll can get one high upvote comment it can counteract literally 100’s of negative comments.
Karma was pointless. Nobody cared at all. Upvotes and downvotes are fine and useful to be able to see both. Karma is a worthless system and encourages spamming low-effort garbage memes and endless reposting of the same shit.
It gave me a pointless feeling of pride and accomplishment. Which was exactly what I did not need.
Getting downloaded here I can see that their sentiment against my point, but it doesn’t really piss me off. On Reddit I get angry and try to defend myself It was a really huge waste of time.
wait, you can get downloaded here?
Turns out, I would download a person. Take that, record companies!
I wish someone would download me nyaaa 💕
Sometimes when I’m alone I download myself.
The karma also added points from all the awards on reddit. So a troll comment with lots of awards received more karma points than the actual post with real good content.
Near the end I had a bunch of coins, so I would find the most juvenile joke I could and give them gold or something, I enjoyed the thought that it could be their first gilded comment and it was a comment saying poop or something stupid like that.
NGL for me atleast it was a good system to sort out the low effert users by putting a minimum karma points
Nobody cared at all
The mods cared. There were many bots used by moderators that relied on karma, the main one being automoderator.
Not one time on reddit did i consider or care about my karma
I saved up 14 years worth of karma on Reddit and traded it in for…nothing, because that’s what it’s worth in the real world.
i got about 60K comment karma which meant I could sell my account for about 500 bucks. I didn’t because I didn’t want that username doing bad stuff, but it was interesting to see it’s value isn’t quite 0.
Had no clue you could sell a reddit acct…doesn’t surprise me though.
I marked your name.
This ain’t a shit post.
Once there is a karma system in place I’m gonna vote you down to oblivion.
deal
Is that like the new “cope”? I can’t keep up with you young wipper snappers and your hip lingo
It means “it’s a deal”, and I’m pretty sure it’s been around for a long time.
Some mighty big words for someone with only 97 karma
How so? I use connect and wasn’t aware of a karma system
Connect for Lemmy on Android has the karma system in place already
Give me the IP of the provider and i’m make him disappear. Thanks.
127.0.0.1
Man, he’s behind a firewall. Can’t get past it.
He backattacks immediately and my pc turns off.
I’m against any sort of gamification on social media. Not even achievements/badges or awards. That is the start of dark patterns and addictive design.
Exactly. It feels rewarding to receive karma but that dopamine rush is actually what Instagram, TikTok and all the other corporate-driven platforms out there are exploiting. We don’t need that here.
Doesnt lemmy have a karma system already? I can see up votes on my posts, and a sum total on my account page.
Or do you mean something else by “karma”?
some third party clients sum up the upvote count of your posts to make a countturns out the lemmy api does send it to youbut lemmy itself will never get a proper karma system in the ui as has been said by the main people working behind it multiple times
The apps aren’t “summing it up”, while the lemmy webUI does not display it, it’s perfectly accessible via API.
but you just said lemmy has the exact same karma system reddit has.
Wow you’re right. I’ve gotten so used to Memmy and Wefwef that I didn’t realize the main site didn’t have it lol
hmm, checked the API documentation of lemmy itself, this seems able to get a person comment/post score data https://join-lemmy.org/api/interfaces/PersonAggregates.html
Reddit has a karma sum which is used to deny access from posting altogether. Here if you say something unpopular, you don’t get the dopamine hit from upvotes, but you’re also not silenced, unless the mod explicitly bans you.
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Yeah, I found people always made a bigger deal out of that than it really was. I think folks just assume other people are having trouble even though they didn’t personally.
Some places had a thousand karma before being able to comment or post, that’s not an easy hill to climb, especially if you say the wrong thing somewhere and people take offense to it for no reason.
I love how in these examples it’s always “for no reason“ and yet we never see the context.
Well it’s for no real good reason I should say, why is it always just the fourth comment in a chain that gets downvoted, because of the tropes and circlejerks.
Sorry I’m having a little trouble following. Are you asking me or are you stating that?
Expanding on some needed context I thought. Or were you agreeing that sometimes there is seemingly no reason?
Now I’m confused.
While I agree unpopular opinions often get shouted down, i think people often forget that sometimes what they consider an “unpopular opinion” is unpopular because it’s abhorrent or just wrong lol. Not every comment/idea is valid and deserves to be entertained.
Being anti-vax is unpopular in a lot of circles and I am perfectly happy with seeing those comments downvoted/ removed and the users banned.
Why banned? The downvotes are definitely deserved but why TF ban them on a sub about a topic not related to vaccines or medicine?
Why are you changing the parameters of my example lol
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I understand what you’re trying to do, but I am not interested in playing this game.
On a sidenote: I saw Oppenheimer recently as well, but let’s not shoehorn quantum physics into a discussion to make your point seem more elevated than it is.
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Nah fuck antivaxers. Cry about it
Nah fuck brainwashing. You won’t cry about it.
Yeah, and what else did the voices in your head say?
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I’d argue you still can get that dopamine hit.
Even if the numbers don’t carry elsewhere in a meaningful way, seeing the high positive number next to your post still means that other people agreed with/liked what you said on that particular post/comment. And that alone can give a mild dopamine hit.
Less useful for bots trying to farm rep for nefarious reasons, more useful for real people who can feel the joy of a moment.
How are you not silenced exactly like you would be on Reddit? People downvotes posts and comments they don’t agree with exactly like reddit, but here if the admins disagree they defederate entire instances over it. Hot page is completely useless compared to reddit, so only the most upvotes posts from the most popular subs are visible, and comments have the exact same issues reddit comments had. Nothing about this system is mechanically different from reddits system, baring how votes get totaled because of federation, (also the hot sort is uses).
Where does it show the sum total? I don’t see that in my profile or yours. Maybe it’s instance-dependent?
Either way, upvotes serve the same purpose here so I think the incentives are the same.
Lemmy doesn’t but Kbin does.
I like being able to say what I want without being banned by a power-tripping mod, or downvoted into irrelevance by a circle jerk. We need to be able to point out that the Emperor isn’t wearing clothes.
Does karma change that? We still have upvotes and downvotes, and you can sort comments by how well they do, and mods can still ban people not only from a community, but from a whole instance.
Yes
How so?
Abolitely 100%. This is not R and people should stop talking about R and stop fucking trying to make it more like R was.
R still exists, anyone who wants that can go back to that shithole.
This is the weird web. A return to a time before it was taken over by 4 major corporations.
Fuck R, fly your freak flags, people!
Well except for those who are here because of a bullshit Reddit ban, but my attitude towards that is “You can’t fire me I quit”
We’re free of the mundanes, I can say what I want as long as I’m not being toxic af! No auto-moderator is going to flag me for using “Ableist Langauge” because I can’t keep with what terms have and haven’t been considered “problematic”
I mean, the word “retard”, obviously (God what places on the Corpo Net can you say THAT word nowadays?), that’s not cool to say. But seriously I had one auto-mod flag me for saying “crazy” because it was “offensive to the mentally unwell”
Bitch I’m bi-polar and literally autistic, I AM mentally unwell, I think I have an n-word pass in this instance… Not that I should need one to say “crazy”
Yes. It’s like saying you’ve moved on, while talking about your ex every chance you have.
Still, IMO, ideas should be considered no matter where they come from. They can just be dismissed.
I feel like it might be bit close-minded to think there might not be anything good to learn/implement. The core still has some Aaron Swartz in it.
I like being able to say what I want without being banned by a power-tripping mod
There’s currently nothing stopping a mod from creating a bot that deletes comments below certain threshold or that bans users for commenting on communities they don’t approve like they did on Reddit. Only site policies can prevent that.
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Site policies can prevent that kind of behavior in that particular site. It’s better than nothing.
I hope this doesn’t become a bot driven cesspool like reddit
Ugh… I remember the “Sorry you have been banned from…” messages, it was amusing when I was banned from subreddits I hadn’t heard of.
Thing is Reddit policies are supposed to make it so you can’t be banned from one subreddit for your reputation or behavior in another, I actually told a mod this and he just laughed at me.
r/MegadethFansInTheWild
You are free of that awful place
Did karma ever stop anyone from posting their racist, hateful shit on the other site?
Nope. Frankly a karma system would be such a terrible idea for Lemmy. We just need more mod tools, which is a downside of Lemmy being a new platform that grew really quickly.
Never. It only insensitived the other bad behaviors. Karma farming, fake content, and reposting.
Those posting bad stuff often upvoted themselves on other accounts anyway.
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Karma system was a horrible feature on reddit.
Also losing the ratio on comments/posts, now that I would like to see on here.
This is why I keep asking for downvotes sometimes, just to rig the system. I even downvoted myself.
By the way, can you help me shame myself?
