I feel like the reason there’s been a resurgance of posts rehashing this has to do with Zohran Mamdani winning a primary in the largest city in the United States. While being openly pro-palestinian AND using the Socialist word positively to boot.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
Mamdani lends credibility to some of those 3rd party/non-voting/protest voters’ strategy.
I think this causes some… feelings.
Mamdani is not third part though, because he won the primary. So he’s the candidate from one of the two big parties.
And it seems to me like the main reason the dems are unhappy with his win is that even though he won a primary, he is not very likely to win the election given American fear of socialism.
Not really. New York’s mayoral election has ranked choice voting so it’s a different situation. Also, Cuomo is the 3rd party candidate at this stage - he’s running as an independant.
If Cuomo voters snake the election from Mamdani I hope Cuomo has his rapey fingers crushed in a subway.
If Harris had won it is highly plausible she would have endorsed Cuomo leading to Zohran’s loss.
We would also not have immigrants in concentration camps. So you know, it’s a trade off.
The US has been putting migrants in camps since the Obama days. Democrats are just better at pretending they don’t do it
This is simply not true. Detention centers under Obama are a world apart from the concentration camps under Trump. Trump is making camps with Alligator moats. He’s deporting people to countries they don’t come from. He’s sending them to prisons in El Salvador. Did Obama do those things also? No, he did not. Please cut the “both sides” crap because I have zero patience for this bullshit.
this yet again, still seething.
democrat failure is a failure of the democrats. they knew the assignment, they didn’t want to pay the price. they chose this reality instead
Anybody who wants to continue the same old same old is just someone who doesn’t want to TRY something else.
it’s almost like multiple people can be wrong for different reasons
That’s total bullshit. The leftists don’t get a pass for not doing the absolute minimum to stop the fascists from taking power.
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So wait, because politicians from both large parties in America are shit and complicit in genocide, all Americans are assholes who don’t care about the outside world?
I think that those fleeing the country are more likely to be those who did not choose this shit. Like I am fleeing America because my life as a gay, Jewish, pro-Palestinian socialist is under threat. But I shouldn’t be allowed to be taken in by another country cuz I don’t care, right?
Just because Democrats and Republicans are both shit parties, pressuring your government to remove those fleeing for their lives is stupid, unempathetic and extremely hypocritical.
Imagine being more upset with 3 million leftists than 70 million republicans.
Are any of the 70 million Republicans on lemmy with us right now?
Shut the fuck up Jesus Christ this is so tiresome…
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
How do you have this much energy to be so smug and so flacid at the same time?
Every fucking day some smug asshole has to come and complain and whine and try and redirect people’s frustration towards infighting instead of against the fascists.
That’s the point - these people chose to not fight against the fascists last November. Now we’re all paying the price for it. Maybe after four years of Trump you people will finally learn how precious and fragile a thing your enfranchisement actually is.
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It actually takes very little energy to be disappointed in nonvoters for the fucked world around us.
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? OK let’s just make up quotes for eachother then
“I love eating old paint chips while I deliberately hang in an area I claim to hate, red is my favorite flavor”
-lemmyworldsuxccc circa 2025
I’m scrolling through this comment section, and all I see are empty comments from the person you’re replying to. Are they removing all the text from their comments?
Hours old account with a whiney username, my guess is they got got for ban evasion.
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Careful dipshit. If you get any more dense you might collapse in to a singularity. Though you might be doing the rest of us a favor
Barely anyone voted for third parties. I have much more blame for the people who didn’t bother voting than the people who voted third party.
I’ll also call out that “not bothering” ignores that a huge sect of the public gets their vote falsely purged, or has their polling location closed, or some other voter suppression tactic.
True, but I also read that the non voters were also about evenly split, it’s not like only the anti trump people stayed home.
He just had the popular advantage, mostly an indictment of the then status quo rather than an endorsement of Trump or indictment of Biden.
This is a fucking pointless fight. If you’re still talking about this responsibility shifting nonsense, it doesn’t matter what side of the argument you’re one, you’re a part of the problem.
Y’all are still going to be fighting about this dumb bullshit while ICE handcuffs everyone. Maybe unify so that doesn’t happen.
Telling leftists to stop bickering and infighting over pointless bullshit instead of actively attacking the actual enemies of democracy…
First time?
It would be saying you are perfectly ok with either candidate over the other. If you say Trump is worse, but the Democrat didn’t earn my vote so I didn’t, that’s pretty aggravating to hear. If you truly felt both options were equally bad, well I can’t imagine that perspective but at least that’s a rational stance for going none of the above with a different vote.
It often sounds like you will only vote for the perfect candidate who agrees fully with you on every thing, which is an impractical ideal.
All this said, the numbers didn’t break in a way for those third party voters to actually have mattered this time around, so despite how frustrated people may be, there’s nothing rational in harping on it for 2024.
Sadly, they both “may” be equally bad. The dems hide it well, trump flaunts it. But they both serve only the elite. Clinton was an epstien friend. And he endorsed cuomo for NY mayor because the party asked him to. They say they want to do things that help the people. But whenever the chance comes, they somehow just can’t do it. We need more parties to at least make it so people can’t just run and win by not being then other guy.
And notice how they mostly just take turns being in charge. Either it is part of thier plan, or it is just proof that neither side actually does enough to be worth voting in repeatedly. Cause they could… but they won’t. I’m from Oregon, so my vote doesn’t matter either way. We always go blue. At least that means we get less election propaganda in the mail and on the phone.Removed by mod
3 options. 2 outcomes.
It would be nice yes
Watching Biden kiss billionaire ass was way better than watching Trump’s construction of concentration camps and also kiss billionaire ass.
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Holy shit dude. I’m just saying pitting your prefered flavor of commie against neo Hitler was a poor choice imo. Enjoy your moral superiority, you’ve earned it.
Oh this bullshit again
It’s nonstop everyday now. Super annoying. You can tell people who to vote for all you want but at the end of the day it’s their choice. Harping on it after the fact does absolutely nothing but push those people further away.
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Jesus Christ the election is long over
Simply accept that out of two outcomes (leftists uniting to vote Democrat/leftists trying to send Democrats a message by not voting them in) both would lead to terrible consequences. It was a matter of time, it just got expedited to now instead of few years later.
You cannot vote democracy in if there’s no fair democracy in the first place. Elections are over, they won’t save you, unite over what you can do instead of wasting everything you have on infighting.
Organize and protest. Join the political organizations in your area and unionize. This is a harder way, and I know it takes time and energy to figure things out and organize and take part in all the actions made, but it is the only way that works.
Please, if you aren’t already part of your local organizing teams, go search for them right now.
You’re blaming the one independent when there’s 80k red voters?
Of course, you can’t fix stupid. At least a communist can goddamn read, so they’re worth talking to.
You call this “talking to”?
Do you actually need a clarification, or do you just want to bicker?
I don’t want to bicker, it’s just confusing that people who are presumed worth talking to seem to almost exclusively be yelled at.
Kinda makes me wonder if maybe some of the people currently not worth talking to were previously subjected to a similar talking to.
Memes and humour are rhetoric, and speaking only for myself, I’d rather mildly joke about someone’s silly views rather than have a big grumpy debate with them. There’s a time and place to sit down and respectfully suss out a topic, and I think good comedy helps more than it hurts - even when a few people aren’t laughing.
That much is true, but I don’t think I wouldn’t call this “good comedy”, and judging from the replies in the thread - OP included - I don’t think it’s intended as a joke either, mild or otherwise. It is kinda amusing, in that victory is presented as always impossible, but I doubt that was intentional. This isn’t goodnatured ribbing, this is more, as the kids say, bait.
De gustibus some disputandum, as always
“Memes and humour are rhetoric”
Democrats absolutely hate this however. Remember how they reacted to the “genocide Joe” meme?
…Do you really just go around talking shit on a political party that isn’t even in control? I’m not even in that country, bruh
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As one who left, I feel qualified to dislike Americans more than most. I don’t quite fit in in England, but I definitely don’t fit in back there either.
At least a communist can goddamn read
I wouldn’t say that looking at all these tankies and illiterates in Russia and China.
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“I wouldn’t say that looking at all these tankies and illiterates in Russia and China.”
You people say this then turn around to lick the balls of Israel
This PIS again…
Oh, let’s not blame the Nazis and their supporters in 1930s Germany. Let’s blame everyone else who didn’t vote the SPD.
You are a Nazi supporter if you let them walk in unopposed.
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The American left splintered so much this past election, into a bunch of tiny groups and nobody is leftist enough for anybody anymore. If you disagree with someone else on the left you’re automatically called right wing because they can’t fathom the idea of anyone who disgrees with them being on the left.
If you’re slightly right or even left of someone, you’ll get shit on, called names, have toxicity thrown at you. I even saw racism towards me for the first time from the left this past election, never mind that im indigenous and brown, I disagree with a point and suddenly im being moralized to by leftist white kids with hate in their breath. It’s no surprise, America is a shark infested ocean, you gotta be a shark to live there, so no wonder the American left became a toxic version of itself the way the right did.
I emphasize “American left” because to the rest of b us left around the world, your leftists are nuts too and only spew platitudes and half ideas, while continuing the American tradition of toxic rhetoric and world policing
Who splintered the left?
the democratic party.
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Why not blame the SPD that didn’t make coalitions to unite the voters? Or that didn’t make the Nazis illegal even after burning the parlament? (January 6th equivalent)
Stop blaming the people for others shit.
You voted Trump, you did this.
You voted Republicans the last 20 years you did this.
You supported any goverment that didn’t do anything to secure democracy, you did this.
Anyway i don’t see Democrats really fighting Trump. I don’t know even if the situation will change in the Midterms 2026, with that attitude.
Im Canadian…
I’m not even in that continent. Whats your point.
That commas arent supposed to be used the way you used them.
Did you mean that commas are supposed to be used?
No
In summary
Vote blue no matter who:
Pro - Democrats more likely to win. Things won’t immediately get worse.
Con - Democrats have no incentive to do anything other than what their wealthy donors want.
Result - Things don’t get worse now, but eventual rightward drift is guaranteed because the democrats will do nothing good and the republicans will win eventually.
Vote blue only if X:
Pro - Democrats have an incentive to do something other than what their wealthy donors what, in theory.
Con - Democrats less likely to win.
Result - Democrats might do something good if they win. Rightward lurch is possible if they lose.
Can we please stop litigating this now?
Edit: The “best” approach would ultimately depend on the relative effectiveness of influencing democrat policy via primaries or whatever, and I don’t think the answer is immediately obvious. I am not advocating one approach over the other, I just want people to stop pretending the answer is obvious.
The democratic party prefed Trump over giving up some deeply unpopular positions. Truly insane.
Bro, all you gotta do is die and all your credit card debit is gone. If you just keep paying the bills, then the debt stays the same until you miss a bill, and then it gets worse. If you die then the debt goes away. Why keep perpetuating the cycle? Dying is the only way to get rid of debt.
That’s what your post sounds like
Except the situation they’re describing is a multi-generational one and they’re trying to do what’s for the greater good over time, which is ironically what the more short-sighted “blue no matter who” people accuse them of not doing. Sometimes things need to be permitted to get worse before they can get better. You can’t just follow a simple greedy algorithm of taking the best possible move at every point with respect to the next state of the game. This algorithm is very easily gamed to lead to bad situations.
I love how divisive this is without respect to gerrymandering.
This sentiment has never made sense because libertarians steal more votes from replublicans than greens do from dems.
The important thing is to be more pissed at the Democrats for not being good enough than you you are at the Republicans for being evil. There is nothing worse than a western liberal, not even the pro-trans-murder party
I agree, the controlled opposition preventing real opposition is a much bigger issue than the problem itself.
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It’s really cool when you freaks say shit like “it’s a good thing that the American LGBT community and all the immigrants are getting genocided”
Really shows that you aren’t actually against genocide, you just like when Americans suffer and this gives you a good excuse
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