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    Trump will continue to play grab ass with the fuck-around gang until he finds the exact line in the sand that guarantees he gets held in pre-trial detention. If he gets thrown in the slammer while awaiting trial he will claim he is a political prisoner, and if they don’t stick him there he will do everything in his power to commit soft-treason through his cult. Everything surrounding Trump is, and always has been a lose/lose situation for this country.

    Until he is made to suffer serious consequences for his violent petulence and penchant for authoritarianism things will never move forward in any meaningful way. He is a distraction that, when all is said and done, will have stagnated the progress of this country for a decade at minimum.

    Edit: Accidentally a word

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      Everything surrounding Trump is, and always has been a lose/lose situation for this country.

      It’s like the whole US is scared of a scar so they keep delaying the op to get the tumor out.

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        I think the greater fear is that anything done against him becomes fuel for the Republicans/conservatives to elect an even worse human being.

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          While I generally agree with you assessment, I think it is important to note that not punishing Trump would embolden or exacerbate his brand of bully pulpit tactics even more. This fear of retribution just means we need to be ever vigilant, and take the threat of authoritarian minority rule seriously.

          That is what we are ultimately talking about, and the only way to prevent that is to stay engaged politically, and to hold our leaders to account whenever they trample on the rights of our fellow citizens or our democracy.

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            Exactly. The only thing you get with appeasement is vindicated bullies. justice must fall. or the US falls. if he goes this far without consequnces… then the next guy will go a little bit further and a little bit further. In fact, that’s pretty much the TLDR of Trump’s entire political career.

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      Although sitting in a cell is my favored outcome for him for doing this, I would love it if the judge just barred him from using electronic devices. Can you imagine how pissed off he’d be?

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        Will that order include a dude following him around and slapping phones out of his hand? Because he is already not allowed to talk about the case and he just ignored it.

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          Did you ever see the old Disney cartoon, The Band Concert, where Donald Duck just keeps pulling flutes out of everywhere like up his sleeve and under his hat? You’re making me think that’s what Trump will do. Hide phones everywhere so he can constantly sneak onto TruthSocial. In his socks, in his underwear, under his MAGA cap…

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            That is literally what he does. The classified document case revealed that he rarely uses his own phone, he just ask whatever employee he is next to to borrow theirs.

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      So we take the “Lock Him Up” approach and if anyone has a problem with that, we lock them up too.

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          Yea, because locking a guy up who is blatantly threatening witnesses and prosecutors in criminal cases against him- despite numerous warnings not to- is so tyrannical.

          If trump wasn’t a rich white ex president, he would have been arrested the night of, held until trial in prison and convicted with in a few months.

          The real tyranny here is the dual justice systems in which this idiot walks free despite trying to overturn the government and walking out with some of the nations secrets is treated like kid gloves with nothing happening for over 2 and a half years.

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            He would have been arrested the night of, held until trial in prison and convicted with in a few months.

            The really irritating part is this isn’t even conjecture. Over a 1000 convictions have already been secured in connection to January 6th, many of those people were held pending trial, and for fucks sake some of them are already out of prison before Trump has even had his day in court.

            Anybody who can’t see the hypocrisy in that, and identify how that implicitly constitutes a two tiered justice system is either brainwashed or so full of shit their eyes are brown. Facts matter, accountability matters, democracy is not a given, and it is about god damn time we start taking each of those things seriously.

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            That’s what gets me. It’s not like he was smart about it. It’s not like he tried to hide it. No, he does stuff in broad fucking daylight, openly admits it, and still gets off scot free! Not only that, but his cult of nutjob dumbasses worships him for it, all while acting like it’s tHe OtHeR SiDe commiting treason.

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              Interestingly… I looked it up on chat gpt.

              As of ‘21, the person with the most felonies appears to be richard Ramirez at 43 (murder, attempted murder, sexual assault and burglary)

              another guy initially pointed to- Richard McCoy - had 16 in DB cooper like hijackings.

              Granted it’s chatgpt… but trump truly is “uprecedendted” (In his scope of criminality.)

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                I strongly suggest you don’t treat a language learning model as a search engine or any kind of artificial intelligence. It is not.

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                  and that’s exactly why I flaggd it as coming from chat GPT. combing through the literally thousands of jurisdictions in the US to find the most felonious guy is… not something I have time for and a quick search turned up nothing about the actual subject. feel free to drop a more reliable source, though.

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                  golf clap

                  Nice. I didn’t know that.

                  Search engines came up with “percentage of us population incarcersted” and “number of us felons”,

                  So, me, not wanting to do a doctoral thesis level of research used a tool get an answer. If you happen to have a better answer…. By all means…

                  But just uselessy pointing out a fact i already knew… (and the reason I flagged it as being the source…) …

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    Cool.

    I hear the DC jail cells are quite comfortable according to the chuds he sent to kill the VP and other congress critters.

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    He’s testing to see how far he can push. But he’s going to find out Jack Smith pushes back a hell of a lot harder.

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        The best thing about him is that I don’t have a clue what his politics are. He’s worked for Democrats and Republicans, and he has never, as far as I’m aware, said a single goddamn word in public about his political opinions. Nothing. And his prosecutorial record is similarly impossible to use as a barometer for his politics. It shows that he’s extremely good at his job, and nothing else.

        Gotta respect a guy like that. Partisan to one thing and one thing only: Serving justice.

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      It might just be copium, but jack smith is starting to give me some hope and take the edge off my jaded political nihilism.

      I think we’re really gonna need a movie off this. “Jack Smith: Special Prosecutor”. it kind of sounds like… a jack ryan type spy thriller… and it practically writes itself. (only action being Jack running a triathalon.)

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        Especially after how milquetoast Garland has been. But that may have been to remove any notion of political retribution. Though they scream about it anyway.

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    And he will continue doing this until someone finally starts treating him like any other person doing the exact same thing and throw his ass in jail for it on the first violation.

    Trump does this because he’s spent 77 years of his life suffering exactly no consequences for his words or actions. And for the past 8 years, he’s been staring down our entire legal system as if to say “I’ll do what I want, what are you going to do about it”, and the answer he’s been getting is “Nothing”. His base has been funding his legal defense and paying off what few token fines he’s had to pay.

    Why shouldn’t he keep doing this? He’s approaching his NINTH DECADE on this planet doing it with resounding success, and nobody seems to be willing to actually draw AND DEFEND the line in the sand. If they actually want him to stop with the attacks, the one and only option that will work is to throw his ass in jail until the trial.

    And if they’re not willing to do that instead of tiptoeing around the issue, politely requesting that he stop, and wondering why nothing ever changes, then they need to suck it up and deal with it, because he’s not going to stop. Jail his ass until the trial(s), or accept that this is the reality for the next several years.

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      And if they’re not willing to do that instead of tiptoeing around the issue, politely requesting that he stop, and wondering why nothing ever changes, then they need to suck it up and deal with it, because he’s not going to stop. Jail his ass until the trial(s), or accept that this is the reality for the next several years.

      someone else already answered part of why they don’t nail him to the wall like any other poor person (eg conservative revolution); another reason is affluenza.

      he’s being politely asked to stop committing crimes by people in the upper echelons of society that will never feel the impact of his actions nor theirs; so their polite requests are merely an exercise in an academic pursuit within absurd belief that the “system will take of it.”

      if trump were rich and well connected enough he could get away with it; but it’s clear that he’s not or else most wouldn’t even be aware of it happening.

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    It kind of makes sense.

    Hear me out.

    He knows he’s screwed. He’s got 78 counts against him.

    At this point, the only thing that will make the federal charges go away is to win the presidency. The time to play it safe is over.

    The best bet right now might be to rally the base and get the GOP nomination. You might get clobbered in the general election, but that’s a 2024 problem.

    Then you have the constitutional crisis of a sitting president with a state prison sentence, but he doesn’t really care about the well-being of the country, so that’s moot to a raging narcissist.

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      At this point, the only thing that will make the federal charges go away is to win the presidency

      it blows my mind that the people rallying behind him know this, and are OK with it

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      Constitutionally it’s pretty clear his sentence would be suspended until his term as President is over. A president elected from jail isn’t a constitutional crisis. A president elected who’s committed a coup before, that’s a problem.

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    “That’s what they’re doing. ‘I’m sorry, I won’t be able to go to Iowa today. I won’t be able to go to New Hampshire today,’” he said. “Because I’m sitting in a courtroom on bull—-.”

    The crowd cheered and broke into chants of “bull——!”

    They’re caracitures of themselves at this point.

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      reminds me of that Ken Patti twitter post:

      I forced a bot to watch over 1,000 hours of Trump rallies and then asked it to write a Trump rally of its own. Here is the first page.

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    So he’s gonna keep intimidating witnesses and the judge and prosecution. Great. If he was poor and trying this shit he’d be locked up yesterday.

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    I know that Jack Smith, and Fanni Willis, are too professional to be bothered by such inflammatory remarks, but it can’t be a smart move to attack the people who are writing indictments. Not all the donations in the world can make up for what he will face in prison.

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      While I really REALLY hope he doesn’t weasel himself out of this, our justice system highly favors people with money to pay for crimes to go away.

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      I wonder when the big republican donors will give up throwing money at the problem. A twice impeached, twice loser of the general election, 3 indictments so far and DeSantis fighting shadows and losing. I’d just save my money for the midterms

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        The really big donors are either investors in trump already, and getting hit with the sink cost fallacy or shopping elsewhere for their politicians

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      Honestly, I can’t imagine what they’re going through.

      And I doubt very much either of them aren’t bothered.

      No amount of professionalism will keep you from feeling it. They are professionals, and they hide it well… but they still have feelings and it still hurts. (And I assume the threats by his thugs make them angry and scared,)

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    He’s just doing what he always does: talk as much trash about how he’s not afraid and harassing the opposition, but I guarantee that if the order goes through, he’ll get very vague very fast. Bullies are always a bunch of talk until the real muscle comes in.

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    I hope he does. He will violate the order and be thrown in jail until trial. That would be phenomenal.

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      Honestly you could predict that man more accurately than the weather.

      He keeps going on about an secret cabal trying to take him down, and he’s right there is one, it’s him.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    In the early voting state of New Hampshire, Trump assailed Smith as a “thug prosecutor” and a “deranged guy” a week after being indicted on felony charges for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

    The former president lobbed the insults at Smith just days after the Department of Justice asked a judge to approve a protective order stopping Trump from publicly disclosing evidence.

    In the four-count indictment filed against Trump last week, the Justice Department accused him of orchestrating a scheme to block the peaceful transfer of power.

    He was told by multiple people in trusted positions that his claims were false, prosecutors said, but he spread them anyway to sow public mistrust about the election.

    Trump, who is also facing charges in Florida and New York, is gearing up for a possible fourth indictment, in a case out of Fulton County, Georgia, over alleged efforts by him and his allies to illegally meddle in the 2020 election in that state.

    Trump, who has portrayed the investigations as politically motivated, said they are forcing him “to spend time and money away from the campaign trail in order to fight bogus made-up accusations and charges.”


    I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    “I believe the president has learned his lesson” -wise words from a stupid woman

    Edit: Fixed the typo

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    Let him keep talking until the court sees no other way than to lock him up and take away his phone to prevent further damage.