So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won’t have a major impact. That’s when the US will be stopped.
Logically that makes sense for an elongated timeline, but that also assumes the US doesn’t ramp up their actions, which sadly seems to be the case. So the question is “what then?”
Nations can’t ignore the fact that the US has one of the most active militaries in the world. Our Navy is more of less second to none and we have nukes. In the hands of a normal president, we might be fine but you sure as heck know that Trump and his Project 2025 people are just itching to launch one.
This is a situation where there are no good options. The best you can do is continue political pressure, get other nations to rally behind you in the hopes of creating a strong economic resistance.
But the real answer is that we, the US citizens, need to fucking take this country back. I hate to say it but protests simply aren’t enough anymore.
Protests would be a good start
Protests only work if the government feels beholden to its people. It doesnt. Protests arent enough.
Strikes, not protests. Put the country literally to a halt
There are protests constantly. There was a protest outside the Whitehouse the same day as the Maduro kidnapping.
Thank God the protest people are here. They were constantly on Reddit for the last four years saying how Russians need to protest against the dictatorship. Good thing Russians heard that and had the massive protest of Bolotnaya in 2011 and endless protests in the far-east and northern regions in particular. As we know, Russia is a thriving democracy now thanks to the protests. I was wondering when USians are gonna protest away their own tsar.
also the worlds largest air force is the US air force. the second largest is the US army’s air force iirc
Remove the bases in europe and you can only project power with as many you can pile up on an aircraft carrier.
I seem to remember reading that the US navy comes in second (which makes sense considering that a single carrier has a larger air wing than most countries air forces) but the point still stands.
I think the wealthy will get US/corporate-friendly far-right governments in place in many of these countries before countries are able to isolate the US without collapsing their own economy. Seems to be the way things are going at least (far-right politics gaining support nearly everywhere).
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
What Mainland China is trying to do: win over countries alienated or considered hostile by the Americans.
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
There’s is indeed a fast and peaceful answer: vote third parties.
Doesn’t work in single vote winner-takes-all elections. You need something like RCV first
Or proportional representation, or a mixed system.
Doesn’t work in single vote winner-takes-all elections.
If a third party get 70% of the votes they don’t end up in power?
What happens in reality is they get 10% of the second most credible party and Maga wins.
In reality all parties have the same change of winning in elections.
Not in a winner takes it all.
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Ah yes, because the Democrats are just as bad and would’ve done all this anyway!!! Why did nobody else think of that!!!
I don’t get you comment, the democrats are not a third party.
Remember kids, in first past the post a vote for third party is a vote for republicans.
Stop spreading non sense and propaganda.
Fucking educate yourself. This is why the world thinks Americans are fucking stupid. So many of us don’t understand basic fuckin civics like this chucklefuck right here not knowing jack shit about spoilers. Half of Americans too fuckin dumb to know they’re carrying ruspublican water.
Fucking educate yourself.
Same goes for you, educate yourself and try to write better comments
Delicious irony.
Follow the money.
See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.
Russia invaded Ukraine and was immediately under many sanctions. I don’t get why the world doesn’t treat the US the same way. Aside from greed.
Obvious answer is that the USA is the world’s largest economy while Russia is not, so if USA says “if you trade with Russia then you can’t trade with me” then most countries will happily accept ceasing trade with Russia to remain in the US market but if Russia says the same about the USA then people would just laugh and go trade with the USA.
The only country that might have some leverage in sanctioning the US is China but China has historically had a “no allies” policy. Chinese leadership hate the idea of that because then they would feel obligated to defend them and defending another country is viewed very poorly in Chinese politics. They thus only ever form trade relations and never alliances, meaning if your country is attacked they have no obligation to you. Chinese politicians may verbally condemn the attack but they won’t do anything like sanctions or even provide their own military support in return.
Huh, I didn’t know that about China. TIL.
It’s a valid reason to not sanction the US. However no sanctions against other countries invading their neighbours suggest that just the Russian case is special.
Greed, fear and dependency
So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?
Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.
The world should at the very least be imposing economic sanctions on the US.
Not trading in US dollars and not using Swift is a silent opposition
But they depend on the USA for billions upon billions every year. It’s difficult to sanction the hand that feeds you…
Do people actually believe this? The US gains hugely from international trade laws that are basically in its favour (they got to write them after WW2). The loss of trust in America will cost it far, far more than any magical gain that Trump believes in. The US exports copyrights and software. Things that could be easily just copied and not paid for if we are all no longer interested in actual laws.
Nobody trusts America, that’s silly.
They trust Raytheon, Boeing, etc. to continue providing them with weapons, IMF with loans for those weapons, and so on.
Rule one of war, the arms dealers, PMC companies and money lenders are the only ones that win.
America made sure it’s all 3 to basically every country.
You can’t just cut America out of your economy unless you think other countries arnt just goanna walk in and claim they own you now afterwards.
It takes many many years to divorce yourself from those sorts of reliances.
Yes. So many fools ate it up when Trump and JD Vance were going on and on about how much the US spends on projecting power across thr globe and how the world owes them money for that, as if the US gets nothing in return for every military dollar it spends… stupid fucks.
STOP REPRODUCING
There’s a reason that leadershit is absolutely pissing their pants about declining fertility rates.
The funny thing is that they’ll try to shame us, bribe us, or even force us (e.g. via attacks on abortion rights and contraceptives). But they refuse to meaningfully address the underlying reasons why people are increasingly saying “no thanks, I’m good” regarding becoming parents.
Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.
Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.
WW3 fought in mainland USA…
The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war
I don’t think we want to see what the world’s biggest military would do if there were large-scale attacks on American soil. This planet would be a smoking ruin before calmer heads prevailed. They lost their fucking minds for more than a decade after the WTC strikes and still haven’t recovered, and are currently backsliding.
Man, fuck that.
I didn’t say this should happen… I said I thought it’s what would be needed for the usa to change
That change would only ever make things worse for everyone but Americans.
Cause all it would do is make America pull it’s entire military budget from playing world corrupt police force. To super earth the prequel.
Win or lose, the last group to realize war is bad will be the USA. And that’s a loss for everyone.
Trump is already attacking US cities. Any war or other issues affecting the US won’t affect the rich nearly as much, and the news is run by them. The Trumpies will be told and in turn will decide that it is Biden’s fault.
Trump is already attacking US cities
My sweet summer child… go check some pictures of French cities devastated in WW2 and tell me you are already under attack
Tour ignorance is deep. Go read about Germany in the late 1930s if you can stop worshipping your pedophile Fuhrer.
Dude, your reading comprehension is very lacking… I have nothing but vitriol for the Orange Pedophile
The EU, China and other major trading partners (many of which are EU afilliates like Japan) could cripple the US overnight by dumping american bonds and finding new trading partners. This is already happening though in a very slow way designed to minimize damage.
Invading NATO territory and triggering Article 5.
To stop this immediate idiocy, Trump has to have a massive stroke, just enough to debilitate him but necessarily replace him. MAGA isn’t going to blindly follow Vance cause he’s got zero MAGA charisma. The GOP controlled Congress is going to be stuck between implementing 25A or not, cause if they remove Trump they’re committing political suicide.
So the best bet is for a lame duck government as a whole.
Imo if I was like a dem politician I’d offer to send trump and hegseth to the hague for trial since the courts here are rigged.
Mother Nature: cracks knuckles “lemme in, coach”
Yellowstone errupts
It’s nowhere close to that level. The GOP/ MAGA has been eroding international trust in America for a while now, but realistically, everybody else is on the outside looking in, and even if America removed all women’s rights, including the right to vote, or annexed Panama, all that would happen would be strongly worded protests and further political isolation of America from the rest of the world.
Nobody wants to fight a war against the USA, and barring something cataclysmic like an invasion of Mexico, nobody wants to sanction the largest market in the world.
TL;DR: America would have to become much poorer or much weaker before anybody does anything.
WW3, that’s literally it. The rest of the world has done jack and shit about Russia and Ukraine beside sanctions and providing resources. People like to meme about Canada being badass, but they have such a small military presence that NATO has been upset with them for about 5 years for not doing their part. Outside of that there is no one in North or South America that can stand up to the US.
Africa isn’t doing much militarily. No one close to China is going to drop their guard to go after the US (Australia included since they have China breathing down their necks as well). That leaves Europe and the Middle East. The Middle East probably isn’t going to do much and if the US takes Venezuela’s oil then they need the Middle East even less.
Europe will probably spin wheels and denounce actions, but the important members of Europe are either 1.) part of NATO 2.) not prepared to defend themselves from Russia if they leave NATO. They can’t meaningfully sanction a military ally without breaking that alliance and once that alliance is officially broken NATO doesn’t have the US backing against Russia and also faces even more risk of Greenland or Canada being attacked by the US.
Best bet for stopping the US is Brazil, Russia, or China saying they will intervene for Venezuela, the EU and other NATO nations saying they won’t support the US, and then BRICS all jump in to fight the US. Maybe this weakens the US and BRICS effectively passes NATO but now Europe is sitting in the crosshairs for Russia.
Honestly, trying to go against the US is more likely to cause the Republican leaders to dislike European or international opinions even more. Republican’s have been complaining at home for 20 years about freeloading foreigners who spend their military budgets on lefty progressive ideas, foreigners complaining about US domestic policies, and all the while the US polices the world for them. It’s this sort of foreign attitude mixed with Russian and Chinese propaganda which has caused the US to drift further and further away from a positive relationship with Europe. Trying to go against the US is more likely to cause a Nazi & Stalin dividing up Poland situation rather than hurting the US.
If America is allowed to concentrate 100% of its military budget purely and ultimately for ourselves then everyone is fucked.
A large part of the balance of the world really comes down to America has 50+ years of spreading it self thin.
America going full ham on a proper war would not end well for anyone including the American people.
The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.
Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.
