Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
So just to be clear. The EPA cannot make regulations despite full congressional authority to do so because that is “creating law” without a direct legislative process. But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
“Official acts.”
Which by DEFINITION, would not include Un-Constitutional behavior. No violation of the Constitution could ever be construed as an “Official Act.”
No SCOTUS had ever put guardrails on the president in almost 250 years, but this SCOTUS reinforced that he has immunity for “Official Acts,” and nobody realizes that they just put guardrails on the presidency for the first time.
Everybody thinks it gives him immunity for EVERYTHING while he is president, but they specifically said “Official Acts,” which would be those outlined in the Constitution. Anything deemed Un-Constitutional, would not be an “Official Act,” and he would not have immunity, just like any other citizen.
Be sure to cite that when they’re breaking down your door without a warrant because you posted a meme of Trump online
Guardrails? I think you should re-read their decision again. They gave him protection because until now even official acts didn’t necessarily protect the president. And now, it doesn’t matter what illegal thing he does as long as it’s part of an official act. ANYTHING. Because as long as it’s part of an official act they can’t even question it. And they didn’t even provide a list of what constitutes an official act.
So they literally put the president above all laws provided he can tie it back to some vague notion of an official act.
Peewee Gobbles said it not trump I’m willing to bet
Edit: hahah didn’t mean to comment from the meme account
The answer to that is, legally no. However, that doesn’t stop them from doing it illegally.
Cavanaugh said it’s OK
Black/brownshirt rules. Let’s stop pretending the U.S has rule of law. It’s full blown fascism at this point. Too bad Americans can’t shoot straight.
EPA could absolutely just ignore the law when making regulations. It wouldn’t even need any congressional authority. It just makes the law and when someone sues them, the judge says “nah, it’s okay with me” and that’s it.
The EPA cannot make regulations… But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
Today you learned the difference between creating regulations and enforcing existing regulations, congrats.
If ICE violates your 4th amendment rights shutup and enjoy your multimillion dollar lawsuit. If you aren’t entitled to said lawsuit then your rights weren’t violated.
How’s that boot taste?
I don’t think the user you responded to was defending ICE. They were bitterly pointing out how the court system is rigged and how there is no oversight to enforce the law on the executive branch.
I suggest checking a users post history before you decide to defend them.
What exactly is the point of a judicial warrant if the executive branch can determine when they’re unnecessary?
Nothing. And they are testing the water to see how much they can do without judges. So when they start standing outside polling booths they won’t get any government pushback.
they already arnt.
And just as we always suspected, all those “2nd Amendment Absolutists” are doing sweet fuck all.
Who do you think is collecting the $50k signing bonus or whatever?
*$50k paid at $10k/year over 5 years. If they don’t make it 5 years they have to pay it back.
I wonder how many of them know this.
They’d be pretty upset if they could read.
I don’t think Trump intends to pay them. Odds are, he would have the “oldest” ICE members deployed into live combat and not treated for injuries afterwards.
They like that this is happening (unless they’re actually targeted by ICE).
Instead of talking shit on them why don’t you buy a gun and make the argument yourself? I’ll even promise to try and track down your jurors and explain jury nullification to them.
It’s a lot easier to talk shit on the Internet though.
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Armed self defense is a DIY project. Same with all our individual rights. Get your own tools, do your own work. If you’re not willing to take on the risk of defending yourself why should anyone else?
DAE THE NRA GUYS
futher mockers
Time for y’all to get guns then
They are drooling at the opportunity to make their own version of Horst Wessel out of an ICE officer.
Yeah I don’t think the kirk fountain worked out as well as they’d hoped when they tried to capitalize on it.
That said, I don’t think the escalation will stop anyway, so self defense is worth it.
For anyone who will be purchasing a firearm, please, please go to a range. Practice with it. Be familiar with how it works, maintenance, and basic repairs, and store it responsibly.
Yup, the most likely people to get shot with a gun are the owner and the owner’s family. Gotta know what the hell you’re doing.
100%.
I’ve handled a gun from a fairly young age, taught by my grandfather, a ww2 vet. Over the years I’ve shot skeet, some shooting competitions for fun, etc.
The most dangerous people I’ve ever seen at any of those places/events were the kind of people who loved buying lots and lots of guns, especially the 2A nuts who claim its all about protecting from the tyranny of the federal government. IMO, they just wanted to feel powerful - and as a result, they were negligent and dangerous. I know one of them who shot themselves in the leg pretty recently, because they ignored the most basic rule - treat every gun as if its always loaded. Guess what? That one was! And now he has a hole in his leg.
Sorry for getting into a rant there.
Guns are horrifically dangerous and should always be treated as such.
Yup. I’m the type of person to hit 8/10 clay pigeons and complain about wasting ammo. And the most dangerous people I’ve seen at a range are the dudes with the lifted pickups on dirt tires (which have never been in the dirt). They treat gun ownership like cosplay.
They treat gun ownership like cosplay.
Damnit, you just said it perfectly in one short phrase, and I just rambled.
That’s exactly the type I’m talking about.
I’m a big fan of clay rabbits, the random hops make it so much fun!
These guys are also the absolute worst drivers on the road too.
My experience has been the polar opposite. Everyone I’ve met at ranges and competitions were very mindful and responsible people that were knowledgeable about the laws and history of the hobby. The most irresponsible gun handling I’ve ever witnessed was the one year I went to deer camp with a former coworker.
I’d say the overwhelming majority were mindful and responsible, what I commented on were the ones at those places and events that were not.
Could also be a regional thing - a few of them ive been to were in states that think the civil war was about states rights, and leave off the part about the rights being about owning people.
The one I mentioned where someone recently made an air hole in their leg is from one of those states.
Fair enough. I’ve never competed down south but having family in Georgia I’m all too familiar with the “War of Northern Aggression” types.
At this point… go to the range daily. You’re going to be pretty shitty until you’ve had a handful of trips out there.
Especially if newer, or if you’re in your 40s+ and you suddenly recognize that you need readers - damn that really changed things for me. Tried some non-stock sights from a friend and WOW what a difference (and the truglo tfos are really, really nice fwiw)
I’m 42 with astigmatism and I can vouch for the EOTECH bs. The battery life is kinda trash but they’re great on my eyes.
Thanks, I’ll check them out!
Probably join some sort of club for safety learning too
I thought they were using kirk for that
They tried yes. It did not work as well as they hoped.
I doubt it’s going to work any better for one of their goons.
I live alone and have every gun in the house loaded.
The American delusion ™
The time for that was Jan 7, 2020.
If someone is buying a gun today and they haven’t fired one yet, they’re kinda just a loot crate.
"ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "
I’ve got a gun that says they can’t.
Tally-ho boys!
There’s been a run on grapeshot
It will be buckshot at first. Grapeshot comes after.
THEY say they can…the law and the constitution says they can’t. Honestly, it is going to take some bad encounters for they to realize they are wrong, and when the encounters go bad, the dictator will mobilize other options he is trying to use.
It is a Rittenhouse strategy. Premeditated self-defense on a national scale.
They got more that says, “Wanna bet?” I mean, I’d want to see that, for sure. That first step is easy and obvious. It’s the second that is confusing.
Oh this is gonna be fun when it runs up against castle doctrine
Not really. Remember Wilhoit’s Law:
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
When they do it, its castle doctrine and qualified immunity and civil rights. When anyone else does it its terrorism. Your comment makes me think you haven’t fully digested the situation and still think the US is a nation of laws. If so, you are gravely mistaken.
There’s no justice under the Robert’s court. There wasn’t any before the Robert’s court, but there isn’t any now either.
Yes. It’s not binary, but a scale that keeps sliding further and further down the savagery of an uncivilized shithole.
You misunderstand. People will enforce the Castle Doctrine long before this gets to SCOTUS.
They already are, actually. I watched a video yesterday of a guy who said what he would do with his Second Amendment if ICE kicked in the door, and of course they ran away.
This is what the bootlickers in this thread seem to be missing… the first time it happens, all the rest of the ICE cosplay pussies are going to think twice before they create the circumstances for it to happen again. Death doesn’t care about what the court says a year later.
Absolutely loving the Black Panther’s approach! Stay strong out there. ✊🏿
🎶🎵 Safelite repair, Safelite replace 🎵🎶
Castle Doctrine the personal principle, yes. Castle doctrine the law that is upheld in court when unidentified masked men without a warrant bust into someone’s home, get shot in the face and the courts respect the law as written even when it turns out after the fact it was ICE? Well, I’ll believe it when I see it.
That goes out the window when feds are attacking cops… which has already started
Does their little memo offer protection against bullets?
Sure doesn’t. And since we’re not abiding by laws anymore there’s no reason for the people to keep playing fair. I wonder if they’re ready for booby trapped doors?
I dream of seeing claymore roomba on the news
What these dumbasses (the ICE officers) aren’t realizing is that this fascist administration wants these “agents” to get killed for stepping into the wrong house so they can use it as further justification for excessive force. Every ICE agent with boots on the ground is just a sacrificial lamb for their (the fascist regime’s) racist agenda.
Edit: Added clarifications in parentheses.
Also, believe it or not, not every American owns a gun. The majority of those that do, own rifles intended for hunting or small handguns. Not weapons intended for military conflict. My SKS might deter a burglar, but it’s just going to encourage a cadre of ICE agents to come in shooting.
and what other dumbasses aren’t realizing is that force is going to be escalated regardless, so you might as well kill them instead of get killed
We all have to accept that if they break into our homes, we’re probably going to get killed by ICE regardless if we have a gun or not.
That being said, if we all have guns and manage to take out at least two of the mouth-breathing chuds before we die, they will eventually run out of mouth-breathing chuds.
K:D > 2:1 and it’s just a game of attrition.
Well you’re getting butt fucked regardless so you might as well go out doing some butt fucking of your own. Give me 🗽 or give me ☠️‼️
Nonsense, if they get killed they very quickly stop acting like they have all the power and immunity, which they absolutely seem to still have. There is only ONE way to deal with bullies/narcissists/… and that is escalation.
And when escalation is exactly what the bullies/narcissists want?
Ah yes because Trump has any sort of grand plan, sure sure. Well I guess let’s just bow down then and capitulate, the 5D chess expert will beat us anyway.
They killed a lady for existing and shit on her and her family. They never needed an excuse to escalate. They just do whatever. Time to fight back
And all it’ll take to fix everything is one good guy with a gun, right?
Not just any random escalation, though.
The narcissist has a plan they are following their game. If that escalation is part of their plan, that’s is absolutely not how you deal with them. Escalate, by all means. But only in a way that benefits your situation.
When that dipshit lady got shot in the face at the capitol riots, they stopped pushing that window. Idiots in groups, even if they are armed, are still idiots…and conservatives more so due to their very strict sheep mentality. Remember kids, ICE isn’t real agents and officers, it is maga cosplayers and they scare easy when they are shown a vulnerability.
Why wouldn’t they just get bigger guns?
Because they might die. They are not tough or smart or good at what they do, they are power tripping bullies. Trump is a narcissist. Both need their nose kicked in to change their behavior. When there is a serious chance of such consequences they will behave completely different.
You mean drones?
That too
Americans, time to exercise your second amendment is nigh.
Funny, I also said things that were untrue but convenient to me. I was 6 at the time, but still
feel like the US had an amendment for this
Can’t wait for dems to retake power eventually and do absolutely nothing to prosecute these criminals. ‘We have to promote unity to heal the divide.’
If the dems were worth a damn they would be loudly shouting from the rooftops ‘when we control the levers of power you will be held accountable for violating the constitution’
Agreed. We should commandeer it wherever we can for the immediate term, but we should ultimately leave the Democratic Party in the waste bin of history.
- They don’t represent us.
- They stood by while fascism took root, then welcomed them in with a smooth transition.
- Their name in itself is poisoned. There are folks who would have a much easier time separating themselves from their crazy peers if they had realistic options other than Democrats. The name is literally connected to everything evil by way of propaganda.
Let Schumer and Jeffries know that they are cunts, and will always be remembered as Democratic Cunts, the party that bent over for fascism.
Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?
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Find some friends and don’t go it alone in Minecraft!
Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Obviously. That is the whole point of the Supreme Court. The surprising thing is that there wasn’t more public concern when Trump selected his sycophant judges.
There was, but the .ml CCP mouthpieces reassured us we were being dramatic when we said the last election was critical and vote blue wasn’t going to fix anything, but rather we had to vote for someone that had no chance and hand the election to the regressives. Shrug
The person you voted for had no chance because they spent the previous 4 years trying to be republicans, up to and including sending police to kick the shit out of the politically activated youth who make up the dem’s ground game.
When Trump? They’ve been letting these dudes in since Bush
As a European I am baffled the civil war has not even started yet.
It’s crazy right? Especially since americans were so vocal about all of the amendments and chekcs and balances for decades which turned out to mean absolutely nothing.
Nobody wants to start it because the consequences would be huge and right now sitting around doing nothing is still possible.
If they decide to follow this memo and actual law enforcement do not care, sitting around doing nothing will not remain an option.
It just need someone snapping and starts shooting ICE. Then all hell will break loose. IIRC there’s some political scientists doing a simulation on how a civil war might start in modern America and it’s eerily similar to what’s been going on right now. There’s only two steps left, someone shooting ICE and then the federal government starts sending troops to take over State and clashing between federal military and the national guard.
How would you even simulate something that relies almost entirely on non-deterministic human behaviours?
They played some kind of RPG.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/21/ice-minnesota-trump
At least from an outside perspective it seems like the consequence are inevitable. Sitting around only delays everything and increases the overall suffering.
Yeah, I should mention that my perspective is very much an outside one. I’ve never been to the American continent. But I think a lot of us are tired of nothing happening even if it’s better than the alternative in the short term.
Indeed!
But doing nothing did and does validate what he is doing.
Civil war = no midterm elections = Trump win.
I know, he’s also hoping for it. There is no good solution. He will just go on.
