Ukraine are fighting for their survival. You can’t put someone’s back to the wall and expect them to make the most moral, clear-headed, rational decisions.
What they have right now is Western armaments and funding. What they don’t have is an inexhaustible supply of manpower. And their enemy has a much bigger supply of manpower than they do. Developing more and better autonomous weapon systems is the most rational choice in the horrendous situation they’ve been placed in.
The ultimate moral responsibility here is not with Ukraine. If the world had taken Russia seriously as a threat when they took Crimea, if we had moved to provide serious and meaningful security guarantees to Ukraine and apply meaningful, effective punishments to Russia (like dumping their oil and gas, as we finally, begrudgingly started to do in 2022), none of this would have happened. Instead we threw them to the wolves, and now you’re here wagging your finger at them for defending themselves any way they can.
No, it’s still stupid. We’re gonna be really unhappy when drones with AI start indiscriminately killing people. Doesn’t have to be in the Russia/Ukraine war.
I hate to break it to you but the development of AI weapon systems was always an inevitability. It has been an inevitability since the first ape hit another ape with a rock.
Now we can decide, collectively, that we don’t want to permit the use such weapons. I’d certainly support such a decision. We can treat them like nuclear weapons, something that should be too dangerous to contemplate using. We can work to put in place international safeguards against their use. Those would be good goals to work towards. But they didn’t suddenly spring into existence because of some guy in Ukraine, and acting like they did is ignorant and asinine.
If you’re under the impression that this is, somehow, a one-sided development on Ukraine’s part - that Russia, along with every other major military power in the world, is not currently racing to develop their own autonomous weaponry - then you either have an insanely optimistic view of the world, or you’re a Russian propagandist. The only reason Ukraine is the first country we’ve heard of using such weapons is because they’re in such a desperate situation that deploying untested military hardware directly into battle makes sense. One of the key advantages they’ve been able to hold over the Russians is how rapidly they iterate on their technology, but that advantage comes from an approach of building small production runs, testing them directly in the field and then reviewing the results. They do this with their drones, with their anti-drone defenses, and everything else besides. It’s not a safe, careful, thoughtful way of doing things, but it is effective, and when you’re facing total annihilation you will always choose effective over safe.
If you want to stand up for the idea that autonomous weapons are too dangerous to be allowed to exist, you won’t hear any disagreement from me. But if all you want to do is wag your finger at people fighting for their lives then you really to stop and consider whether this comes from a place of genuine concern for the world, or just a need to feed your own sense of moral superiority.
Everyone can be doing it, and it’s a stupid idea. They’re not mutually exclusive. Fully autonomous AI weapons might be a bigger threat to humanity’s existence than even nuclear weapons.
Maybe we can forgive desperate people for being desperate, but it’s not an issue of morals, but common sense. Escalating to the use of autonomous weapons invites and demands that Russia and other nations do the same. The moral question will be if those responsible can live with themselves knowing they freely chose to bring this horror into the world.
Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.
I know it’s kinda leaning into the meme here, but I genuinely think you need to go read some at least basic political theory before you try and engage with this topic.
Ukraine are fighting for their survival. You can’t put someone’s back to the wall and expect them to make the most moral, clear-headed, rational decisions.
What they have right now is Western armaments and funding. What they don’t have is an inexhaustible supply of manpower. And their enemy has a much bigger supply of manpower than they do. Developing more and better autonomous weapon systems is the most rational choice in the horrendous situation they’ve been placed in.
The ultimate moral responsibility here is not with Ukraine. If the world had taken Russia seriously as a threat when they took Crimea, if we had moved to provide serious and meaningful security guarantees to Ukraine and apply meaningful, effective punishments to Russia (like dumping their oil and gas, as we finally, begrudgingly started to do in 2022), none of this would have happened. Instead we threw them to the wolves, and now you’re here wagging your finger at them for defending themselves any way they can.
No, it’s still stupid. We’re gonna be really unhappy when drones with AI start indiscriminately killing people. Doesn’t have to be in the Russia/Ukraine war.
I hate to break it to you but the development of AI weapon systems was always an inevitability. It has been an inevitability since the first ape hit another ape with a rock.
Now we can decide, collectively, that we don’t want to permit the use such weapons. I’d certainly support such a decision. We can treat them like nuclear weapons, something that should be too dangerous to contemplate using. We can work to put in place international safeguards against their use. Those would be good goals to work towards. But they didn’t suddenly spring into existence because of some guy in Ukraine, and acting like they did is ignorant and asinine.
If you’re under the impression that this is, somehow, a one-sided development on Ukraine’s part - that Russia, along with every other major military power in the world, is not currently racing to develop their own autonomous weaponry - then you either have an insanely optimistic view of the world, or you’re a Russian propagandist. The only reason Ukraine is the first country we’ve heard of using such weapons is because they’re in such a desperate situation that deploying untested military hardware directly into battle makes sense. One of the key advantages they’ve been able to hold over the Russians is how rapidly they iterate on their technology, but that advantage comes from an approach of building small production runs, testing them directly in the field and then reviewing the results. They do this with their drones, with their anti-drone defenses, and everything else besides. It’s not a safe, careful, thoughtful way of doing things, but it is effective, and when you’re facing total annihilation you will always choose effective over safe.
If you want to stand up for the idea that autonomous weapons are too dangerous to be allowed to exist, you won’t hear any disagreement from me. But if all you want to do is wag your finger at people fighting for their lives then you really to stop and consider whether this comes from a place of genuine concern for the world, or just a need to feed your own sense of moral superiority.
Everyone can be doing it, and it’s a stupid idea. They’re not mutually exclusive. Fully autonomous AI weapons might be a bigger threat to humanity’s existence than even nuclear weapons.
Maybe we can forgive desperate people for being desperate, but it’s not an issue of morals, but common sense. Escalating to the use of autonomous weapons invites and demands that Russia and other nations do the same. The moral question will be if those responsible can live with themselves knowing they freely chose to bring this horror into the world.
And the crown passes to you.
Russia brought this horror into the world when they chose to invade a nation that was no threat to them. Everything past that point is on their hands.
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Azov batallion.
Lol.
Is this really what passes for a micdrop moment with the pro-authoritarian crowd?
All governments are authoritarian, that’s literally the entire point of a government 🙄.
Acting with authority and being authoritarian are not the same, but goes to show how you can actually believe the shit you write
I know it’s kinda leaning into the meme here, but I genuinely think you need to go read some at least basic political theory before you try and engage with this topic.