Designation of groups from Italy, Germany and Greece labelled ‘ridiculous’ as experts say no active threat posed
Experts have told the Guardian the same anti-fascist groups the US state department recently named as foreign terrorist organizations and accused of “conspiring to undermine foundations of western civilization” barely qualify as groups, let alone terrorist organizations, and pose no active threat to Americans.
“The whole thing is a bit ridiculous,” said Heidi Beirich, co-founder of the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, which tracks extremist movements worldwide, “because the groups designated by the administration barely exist and certainly aren’t terrorists.”
In a release put out earlier this month, the Trump administration, which has made no secret of its hatred for leftists in the US and abroad, named Antifa Ost in Germany, the Italy-based International Revolutionary Front, and two organisations in Greece – Armed Proletarian Justice and Revolutionary Class Self Defense – to its long list of designated terrorist organizations.
I know Lemmy is small, but barely exist? c’mon
It’s all right wing terrorism these days. FBI confirmed. Someone gave the keys to the terrorists and now they are calling the shots. Up is down, down is up.
Well we have always been at war with Eastasia you know.
It’s a big club, anyone that’s not fascist is in it by default…
They named specific groups under the umbrella, though.
oh hi
Experts have told the Guardian the same anti-fascist groups the US state department recently named as foreign terrorist organizations and accused of “conspiring to undermine foundations of western civilization”
They’re saying fascism is the foundation of western civilization. LMAO
Fascism is corporatism. Corporatism’s final evolution through corruption is a corportocracy.
Did you wonder why Antifa was so against the World Trade Organization’s negotiations, where a bunch of corporations were deciding the laws of all the nations.
I know this is an unpopular opinion, but the whole world is pretty much fascist at this point.
Fascism is corporatism.
In case anyone isn’t clear on that…:
Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.
— Benito fucking Mussolini. You know, the fascist who arguably invented fascism, or at least popularised its name.
It’s a shame the name based on a bundle of sticks became the popular one instead of the one that tells it like it is, but I suppose not even fascists would support fascism if it was named appropriately.
No one who understands it goes with it. It requires pure, violently maintained misunderstanding to even exist. Some try to label that a “worldview”, although it isn’t.
Antifa Ost in Germany
Aww man, I didn’t know there was an official soundtrack for Antifa! Germans get all the cool stuff.
They keep using the word “die”, see, they’re violent extremists!!!
Remember when the Trump administration designated a random gang named MS13 a major terror organization? What did that event lead to? What parallels can be drawn between that event and this event? Hmmmm
There are three primary countries attempting to undermine western democracies. Vlad’s Russia, Xi’s China and Mango Mussolini’s USA. F-them all!
Bist du Anti-Antifa, bist du FA!
If you’re anti Antifa, you are FA!
Fascism – by design – is all or nothing. There is no “just a little bit”. Either you are part oft the regime or against it.
I’m proud not be able to visit the US, because I’m pro democratic and therefor Antifa!
I’m proud not be able to visit the US, because
I’m able to visit, but I am absolutely unwilling to do so.
For the reasons you already mentioned.
Yeah that is why the fascists took over we need to bolster our numbers.
Antifa Ost
What, why specifically them? Are we not good enough? Time to burn some cars, comrades!
(dear friends in the US administration: this is a joke.)
Foreign terrorist groups can be prosecuted, and the president has a much freer hand constitutionally going after foreign than domestic groups. There is no actual federal law to designate and go after domestic terrorist groups. But there is for foreign.
Here is the plan:
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Designate a handful of foreign branches of antifa as terrorist groups.
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If anyone in the US is a member of an antifa group, arrest them for being member of a foreign terrorist group, even if the group they are a part of is completely unconnected to the European groups.
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Make the defendants spend thousands of dollars and years of their lives fighting anti-terrorism charges, and get “arrested for terrorism” as part of their criminal records.
I wasn’t seriously asking why, I was pretending to be offended that antifascists from eastern regions of Germany (“Ost”) are supposedly more important than those from western regions :) this whole affair is obviously ludicrous and nothing but an excuse to persecute and intimidate their opponents.
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Our electric cars burn themselves anyway. 🤷♂️
Watch this admin fuck things up even further and tomorrow label Aldi Süd as a terrorist org.
There are many millenials here right? Do you remember the time when it was a standard being against fascism? It was a synonym for pure evil. Saying fascism was similar to saying concentration camps and genocide.
Now it’s considered ‘domestic terrorism’ in the US being against fascism while they fund an active genocide in Gaza.
The boomers running the show were raised by the people who actually fought against fascism during the Second World War. I guess they all have Alzheimer disease.
It’s not considered that.
By anybody.
Even the idiots shouting it know it’s wrong.
So it is being considered that, maybe not seriously from those pulling the strings, but there are more than enough rubes who will unironically think it.
Alzheimer’s doesn’t make you a genocidal fascist, don’t let them off the hook that easy. Also turning Alzheimer’s into an insult is kinda hurtful for people who actually have it and their loved ones.
What I meant was, that they already forgot the history their parents were a part of. You know, since they are boomers and of the age of getting memory loss diseases, while still upholding their position of power.
I’m not claiming people with Alzheimer disease are fascists or anything like that. I don’t understand how that is what you extracted from my comment.
I though it would be clear, but apparently even something as simple as this needs an explanation.
It’s because they want to label people as belonging to these groups to arrest them on terror charges.
Pffff surely there are no recent examples of anyone doing anything remotely like that.
This is a huge win for the regime.
Sort of like how “Al-Qaida in Iraq / Syria / etc” wasn’t a real organization, just a way of publicizing the War on Terror in a language Americans reflexively accepted.
We’re going to see random people persecuted as “Members of Antifa” in the same way we spied on and harassed anti-War Quackers and anti-Genocide college students by affiliating them with “terrorist groups”
Anti War Quackers (Bangkok protests)
Anti War Quakers
I can’t help but tease, I am from very prime Quaker territory, so I see the mix up constantly. 😜
It is ridiculous. The countries these groups are in, which are advanced first-world democracies just like the US, say these groups are well under control and far less active than they were years ago. But even these “barely a group” European groups are far more formal and organized than any antifa-leaning organization in the US, the Trump admin just needed someone, anyone, to slap a terrorist label on.
